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Demitrix2k
I like New Vegas
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From Norway
Posted August 29, 2019
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What was the controversy about again?
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antrad88
w00t?
Registered: Dec 2010
From Croatia
Posted August 29, 2019
Speaking of body types... this reminds of the various incentives going on to remove the words "mother" and "father" from any laws and legal documents and replace them with just "parent" so they don't discriminate the various modern parent combinations.
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Posted August 29, 2019
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You're no different than anyone else. Don't think you know what's best for everyone.
The problem is in your insecurity, therefor you have the need to chose a side. So if you look for a problem, look in yourself, not in others.
cheers! :)
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GamezRanker
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Registered: Sep 2010
From United States
Posted August 29, 2019
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I like how all of this has gone from talking about cyberpunk leaning away from gender selection to body type selection instead, and that has brought out the loonies who spin their conspiracy theories about trans people being a blight on humanity and indoctrinating kids to get on hormones, i can't imagine the seething rage they experience when they realize just how trans the cyberpunk genre is.
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What was the controversy about again?
Post edited August 29, 2019 by GameRager
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Starmaker
go Clarice!
Registered: Sep 2010
From Russian Federation
Posted August 29, 2019
Ahh, here's the drama thread!
re: pandering
It's not pandering, you galaxy brains. If anything, it's the opposite: give it a few years, perverts will start crying about how body modification is cultural appropriation and only they should be able to access it (I mean, this is kinda happening with body hair removal, which women have to pay for but sex offenders get for free in some places and even demand to get it performed on them by unwilling female victims). Sex offenders also count on being the only exceptions to sex segregation to commit crimes of opportunity; once everyone can be big and tough (or small and tough), they're shit out of luck.
Remember when there was a shitstorm about the in-game ad, and every game journo assumed the model portrayed was a man? Exactly. In their world, dick = male = sex offender, because that's what they and their friends are, and no-dick = female = victim. But from the context of the picture, how it uses a prominent dick on an otherwise ideal female form to advertize a customizable drink, it's obvious that the dick is artificial, it's the thing that's customized. "Add delicious extra flavor to our already delicious drink, just like we added this sexy dick to this already sexy woman." In 2019, female aggression mostly hides behind affirmative action - also a fertile soil for perverts stacking on privilege. There no one to leech off and no one to creep on in Cyberpunk.
Do you select your character's chromosomes? No? Then it's not sex and definitely not "gender", it's body type. No one gives a damn about how you "identify" -- everyone's identity is a 2048-bit integer, and you have to maintain authenticity / anonymity as the situation demands. (I guess you can identify as 'deadbeef' if that's a part of your uuid. Everyone is deadbeef, really - it's just that kind of world.) You can attach a second head and pump your ass full of industrial silicone, and people will still try to identify you and associate your debts and your crimes with you. (Also, pin their own crimes on you.) No "it's hate speech to mention how i raped kids because i changed my name, teehee".
Once again: perverts are shit out of luck in that world. When cyberpunk happens irl, they won't like it at all.
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I'm very happy with sex-independent voice choices, too bad there are only two - what if I hate both? In some new-gen big RPG (Eternity? Tyranny?), every female voice for the protagonist (they had a bunch) were bitchy, but there were no restrictions so I just picked a 'male' voice for my female character which sounds exactly like I sound to myself live.
You're about 5 years too late. Gender is now "your feefees" and sex is "nothing".
re: pandering
It's not pandering, you galaxy brains. If anything, it's the opposite: give it a few years, perverts will start crying about how body modification is cultural appropriation and only they should be able to access it (I mean, this is kinda happening with body hair removal, which women have to pay for but sex offenders get for free in some places and even demand to get it performed on them by unwilling female victims). Sex offenders also count on being the only exceptions to sex segregation to commit crimes of opportunity; once everyone can be big and tough (or small and tough), they're shit out of luck.
Remember when there was a shitstorm about the in-game ad, and every game journo assumed the model portrayed was a man? Exactly. In their world, dick = male = sex offender, because that's what they and their friends are, and no-dick = female = victim. But from the context of the picture, how it uses a prominent dick on an otherwise ideal female form to advertize a customizable drink, it's obvious that the dick is artificial, it's the thing that's customized. "Add delicious extra flavor to our already delicious drink, just like we added this sexy dick to this already sexy woman." In 2019, female aggression mostly hides behind affirmative action - also a fertile soil for perverts stacking on privilege. There no one to leech off and no one to creep on in Cyberpunk.
Do you select your character's chromosomes? No? Then it's not sex and definitely not "gender", it's body type. No one gives a damn about how you "identify" -- everyone's identity is a 2048-bit integer, and you have to maintain authenticity / anonymity as the situation demands. (I guess you can identify as 'deadbeef' if that's a part of your uuid. Everyone is deadbeef, really - it's just that kind of world.) You can attach a second head and pump your ass full of industrial silicone, and people will still try to identify you and associate your debts and your crimes with you. (Also, pin their own crimes on you.) No "it's hate speech to mention how i raped kids because i changed my name, teehee".
Once again: perverts are shit out of luck in that world. When cyberpunk happens irl, they won't like it at all.
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I'm very happy with sex-independent voice choices, too bad there are only two - what if I hate both? In some new-gen big RPG (Eternity? Tyranny?), every female voice for the protagonist (they had a bunch) were bitchy, but there were no restrictions so I just picked a 'male' voice for my female character which sounds exactly like I sound to myself live.
You're about 5 years too late. Gender is now "your feefees" and sex is "nothing".
Post edited August 29, 2019 by Starmaker
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Fuelled by coffee and hate
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From Norway
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Bad Hair Day
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Registered: Dec 2012
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Posted August 29, 2019
Lola is about a transvestite, not a transgender.
Prejudice against either one is equally as repugnant.
Prejudice against either one is equally as repugnant.
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Chicken is not a bird and a turk is not a human.
Registered: Nov 2012
From Armenia
Posted August 29, 2019
It's the same on every planet.
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richlind33
bong hits for beelzebub
Registered: Jan 2016
From United States
Posted August 29, 2019
It almost sounds like you want to be offended about something, but aren't sure what. lol
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Reeeeeeeeeee!!!
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richlind33
bong hits for beelzebub
Registered: Jan 2016
From United States
Posted August 29, 2019
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"Gender" and "sex" can be synonymous, depending on usage, which raises issues that need to be addressed by people who are capable of and willing to engage in reasoned discussion aimed at finding practical solutions. People from either of the above mentioned camps NEED NOT APPLY.
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OldOldGamer
It's me!
Registered: Sep 2009
From United Kingdom
Posted August 29, 2019
Whatever you are saying, I bet is something stupid.
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2023-08-14: Remember the Spaces!
Registered: Jul 2012
From United States
Posted August 30, 2019
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"Gender" and "sex" can be synonymous, depending on usage, which raises issues that need to be addressed by people who are capable of and willing to engage in reasoned discussion aimed at finding practical solutions. People from either of the above mentioned camps NEED NOT APPLY.
Post edited August 30, 2019 by Darvond