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MajicMan: So the UK official triggered Article 50 today to get the heck out of the EU. It has finally begun.

Are you happy or sad?
Neither as it's not my country :D

More seriously and to not rehash what has already been said in the other topic, I'll take a fresh example from today of the life in EUSSR:

Starting from June, the usage of will be [url=http://www.lesoir.be/1471679/article/actualite/belgique/2017-03-30/glyphosate-interdit-des-1er-juin-en-wallonie-sera-toujours-disponible-vente]forbidden for individuals in Wallonia. Normally, the intent is to ban it here (meaning not selling it) but it's legally impossible as this decision has to be taken at the EU level. It's even funnier as when I get back into my news archives of this month, there were two opposing news about it: / [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/monsanto-weed-killer-deserves-deeper-scrutiny-as-scientific_us_58cc5541e4b0e0d348b34348]two
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MajicMan: No. Devaluing the US dollar would not have done anything for Michigan except make it worse off and make the whole nation worse off.

And both are because of fiscal spending policies we agree, but again, if you have one nation (Greece) with a federal pension for everybody and one nation that does not carry that burden then two nations, different laws. Michigan does not suffer that problem.

I couldn't make China, America, Great Britain and Russia use the same currency and make it work. The laws and currency values are just too different.
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supplementscene: If the dollar devalued, Michigan based car companies would have sold more units outside of the US because they would get more Euros/Pounds/etc for their product and been able to undercut. They would also sell more units in the US because it would be less profitable for European car makers to sell in the US. Devaluing a currency, devalues debts, so Detroit going bust is a lesser debt.
What makes you think the others can't devalue their own currency? You improve the economy of a country by innovating not by defending the status quo of a failed industry. Don't you people see that exactly this is the problem in the western world? Everyone defends their failures.
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supplementscene: If the dollar devalued, Michigan based car companies would have sold more units outside of the US because they would get more Euros/Pounds/etc for their product and been able to undercut. They would also sell more units in the US because it would be less profitable for European car makers to sell in the US. Devaluing a currency, devalues debts, so Detroit going bust is a lesser debt.
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OlivawR: What makes you think the others can't devalue their own currency? You improve the economy of a country by innovating not by defending the status quo of a failed industry. Don't you people see that exactly this is the problem in the western world? Everyone defends their failures.
They can but it's not always desirable, it increases costs of imports for one, which can increase inflation. And that's why the EU and the US didn't devalue. It doesn't change the fact that Greece and Michigan suffered from the high value of their currency. Chinese products aren't necessarily innovative or high quality, often they're low quality but their lower currency allows them to beat everyone on price
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I am amused by the tyranny of an organization that cannot keep any country that wants to quit from quitting.
I think the EU needs to go back to being the Common Market.ie, an organization meant to encourage trade and get rid of stupid barriers to trade,and stop trying to be some central European government,but a lot of the opposition to the EU expressed here is tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense,and blind "Fuck the Establishment" attitude. Anybody comparing the EU to the USSR is so incredibly ignorant that his opinions on this should be ignores.
And rampant nationalism, with every European country hating it's neightbors ,is not a great idea either.
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dudalb: I am amused by the tyranny of an organization that cannot keep any country that wants to quit from quitting.
I think the EU needs to go back to being the Common Market.ie, an organization meant to encourage trade and get rid of stupid barriers to trade,and stop trying to be some central European government,but a lot of the opposition to the EU expressed here is tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense,and blind "Fuck the Establishment" attitude. Anybody comparing the EU to the USSR is so incredibly ignorant that his opinions on this should be ignores.
And rampant nationalism, with every European country hating it's neightbors ,is not a great idea either.
No such things here

There are only some minority political groups that want to speculate with the immigration problems, i am not sure where you heard about hate, but EU countries don't hate each other, there are some issues due to head of states being utter idiots and not wanting to collaborate or respect existent treaties, plus mpaa and riia representation bullshit trying to completely annihilate all freedoms that we have, fortunately they are failing

Also no tin foil hat anywhere, industrialist groups are trying to forcefully subdue national controls and override EU regulations, they are attempting this shit for years, like removing our chemical safety regulation to force internet filters at THEIR discretion, again utter failures but that doesn't stop them fro trying
Post edited March 30, 2017 by Catrhis
I have an opinion but I'm sick of lefties telling me it's wrong. It's boring tedious and tiresome.
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dudalb: I am amused by the tyranny of an organization that cannot keep any country that wants to quit from quitting.
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MajicMan: So the UK official triggered Article 50 today to get the heck out of the EU. It has finally begun.

Are you happy or sad?

Also, just wondering for the UK gamers, on GOG do you pay in Euros or with the Pound Sterling?
I don't care. My father's English (has been living in Germany for 40 years though) and is pretty obsessed about the whole thing...even though he's very right-wing in general, he's against Brexit (not least because he had to take German citizenship because of it which he didn't really want to). But I don't care either way. Many of the leaders of the Brexit campaign are total assholes in my opinion, someone like Farage with his whole sucking up to Trump and the Americans is just despicable. But I sort of understand why many people voted for Brexit...I strongly dislike the EU in its current form myself, and "United states of Europe" sounds like a nightmare to me. So I'm neutral about the whole issue.
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Breja: It's always "fun" to watch people who never experienced anything but stable democracy in a well developed country and have no understanding of history or politics rage against the status quo that ensures their liberties. Makes you realise that mother nature made a huge mistake not giving the opposable thumbs to elephants instead.
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dudalb: THIS.
Ignorance of history is dangerous. What we are seeing is some people reverting to right wing nationalism (as opposed to patriotism, a completely different thing) and that inevitably leads to war.
War between European countries is mostly out of the question if you ask me...only thing I can think of is some sort of conflict with Russia (hopefully unlikely) or something in the Balkans. If armed conflict comes to Western Europe again, it will almost certainly be some form of civil strife or internal insurgeny within states.
Good on Britain for going their own way instead of being told how to govern themselves by an international organization. But it's still rather hypocritical to withdraw from the EU because of sovereignty, yet still have their military under the overall command of another international organization (NATO), it makes it seem that Brexit supporters are just right-wingers who like being under the influence of right-wing America, but not left-leaning Europe.
Post edited March 31, 2017 by Crosmando
EXCLUSIVE FOOTAGE: Theresa May severs ties with the EU on Brexit Day.
LoLz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8LXn83yxFk
Dagnabbit, I want to watch Zulu Dawn now.

Hmm, now where did I put that dvd...
Love the infantry tactics of two rows, kneel down and swap.

Only the British could that orderly.