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Well, I guess that's still better than Order 66 :P

But not in a one-on-one deal with these two nations. Other free-trade deals are bad for first-world nations because cheap labor, child labor, forced labor is exploited in third-world nations. Mexico, China, Indonesia, etc., etc.

The USA and GB fundamentally have the same laws, wages, values to deal with. There is not going to be some 90 percent wage advantage, children won't be in sweatshops, the governments don't manipulate currency.

It means indie developers can sell games across the two countries without tariffs. To make a game in GB is no different than the USA. But tariffs add costs so a UK developer couldn't get access to the USA market for the same price and vice versa. Now they can sell their games to both audiences for the same price. And it doesn't cost either country any jobs.

Unlike the outsourcing to India or using H1-B visas BS, a game maker in the UK will make appox. the same amount as in the US and vice versa, so nobody is going to close shop in one location for the other.

A problem could come in farming though, because big companies use a lot of illegal labor in America for agriculture, so that could be exploited. But not if we take care of our illegal immigration problem - which we are finally starting to work on.

Heh we're just like siblings bickering out of boredom. give us something to do and we'll sort ourselves out.

Anyone got a world war, terrorist attack, natural disaster or an extraterrestrial invasion we can borrow?

It's a sad day for the bitter remainiacs. It's almost too temping to rub their noses in their own mess.

Sensible europeans should be looking at how to solve the problems and ask themselves is it the EU or their own countries causing them or even outside groups. At the very start it was in dollars which was a small problem as a lot of bank cards stuck a small charge each time you dealt with foreign currency offputting small impulse buys. A few years back it then changed to pounds.

Yes but the US economy dwarfs the UK and any other economy and that gives them more bargaining power.

Australia has a trade deal with the US, yet giant multi-billion dollar US companies don't pay tax here, geoblock us and charge us more for the same products.

This may be insignificant overall in the scheme of things, but there's really no such thing as free trade.

It's usually companies who win and not the average person, the deals are done by lobbyists and people with a vested interest.

While I am quite critical towards EU, I am unsure what you mean by that. How is EU against freedom and liberty (something that you apparently feel individual EU countries are not)?

From my point of view, I don't feel EU is standing for values that are not European values and foreign to most EU countries. The problem is mostly the bigger scale, people in EU countries feel they have less power and control to day-to-day politics if the decisions are mostly made thousands of kilometers away from them. I dislike the idea that the whole EU zone would have e.g. common taxation and social security system.

Also, are you similarly against the US government, and want to give US states their sovereignty back? I recall Texas has had some separatist movements, and after Trump won, Californians have apparently had similar thoughts. Should US be dissolved, and there should be merely a trade union between US states? After all, you could argue that the people in California have probably quite different values from the Bible Belt or Texas folks.

Article 51 in place. I mean seriously, a thread started by yankey doodle, of which a third contributed by the us, did you really think to take focus off trump that easily?

You misunderstood, the EU governing body is anti freedom and liberty not the individual countries - it is the Eu body I loathe and detest. Jean-Claude Junker and his globalist cronies.

It is the EU dictating by fiat islamic terrorist must be taken in by countries (and now threatening economic sanctions against those nations that choose their own immigration policies), that the EU by fiat can punish individual nations who make laws they do not like. It is the EU dictatorship I loathe. The use of the Euro currency to hammer and hold down Greece and Italy, the massive cost it burdens on Finland and other nations to do bail outs because it does not factor in different laws, cultures and systems by each nation.

it is the new freedom that GB has that I am happy for and the people who will now decide their own fate that I am happy for.

Actually, our form of government in the USA is a Constitutional Republic on Federalism. Each individual state has broad governing powers.

The 10th amendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

Our constitution states that only the federal gov can print money, only the federal gov can negotiate a treaty, only fed gov can declare war (and actually only congress can ratify this action, along with ratifying treaties)>

But if the fed gov is not specifically put in charge of something or a state is not distinctly prohibited (no state can print its own money), then the individual states and people are granted the power.

But, yes, to your question, our federal branch has completely overstepped its authority in many, many areas and I am firmly in favor of downsizing it and limiting its jurisdiction again to its only roles.

You mean you think the Euro should of been devalued to protect the Greek/Italian economies? Do you believe the Dollar should of been devalued to protect the economy of Michigan? Or should Michigan become an independent country so they can manage their own economy? Yes it's the same thing.

The two are not the same.

Greece, Italy, Germany, France, etc. are different nations. Each has different laws, each has different work laws, finance laws, labor laws.

Michigan does not have different laws to the USA. Federal minimum wage in Michigan is the same as every state in America, as is the 40-hour work week, as are the Federal holidays.

Michigan suffered because Detroit made many bad decisions, and Chicago and the state of Illinois are in trouble too, because of horrible economic decisions, bad union contracts, unfunded pensions, super high taxation so companies have left and are leaving.

However, the dollar is universal in America. The euro is not in the EU. When the Euro was introduced, the local currencies of Greece, Italy, France, Germany, etc. were not the same. The Franc, the Mark, the Lira, all had different trade values, so just putting everybody under one currency roof has been a disaster. Saying everything is the same now never made it true.

Could that even be done? Isn't Euro floating like other free currencies, meaning it is the international market who decides what is the "correct" value for Euro? Sometimes Euro goes up compared to e.g. USD, sometimes down.

I took him to mean as if EU is somehow forcing Greece to keep using Euro as their currency against their own will because realistically the only way Greece could devalue the currency they use was to take their own currency into use. Then the international market would set its value in accordance to how the Greek economy looks like, now how e.g. the German or other EU economies look like.

That is what I am talking about.

You say they can leave the Euro, but if they do they are punished. So they are punished if they keep the Euro and punished if they drop the Euro. This is why I loathe the EU gov. The EU wields enormous power with no ramifications as they are not elected by the people.

You need to use the Euro to gain its benefits, but less advanced countries or nations that have a lower cost of living and lower earning now have to pay up to the euro standard. Conversely, more advanced countries now have to bail out. Neither would be needed without a universal currency. A free-trade zone sans a single currency was working for Europe.

But should it? You earlier talked about freedom and stuff, so isn't it against Michiganians' freedom that they can't set their own laws (and maybe use their own currency)?

Punished how, and by whom?

I see the "punishment" would come from the international finance market, ie. Greece own currency would devalue a lot, and in case Greek debts were defaulted, they might have problems at least initially to get more loans from anywhere.