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amok: tell it to the others
Well then, if you mean game developers then I can definitely tell you that major amount just doesn't listen, you can find enough evidence that good coding practises aren't exactly always a thing by casual SteamDB crawling, things like cringe branching, not password protecting your development branches, unnecessarily duplicating packages, "everything in one depot", and other things.

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Leevi: A) Devotion didn't make fun of China's Pooh Bear anymore. The one tiny scrap of paper making fun of him was removed from the game already
Yeah, that is drastically underestimated point that many either don't know about yet or choose to ignore.
As far as public info goes there was no trace of "the offending content" in GOG release.
Which makes the whole "a bunch of gamers contacted us because they got offended by 'offending content' in form of one singular joke" point topple since those "gamers" wouldn't know what is ACTUALLY in GOG build before playing it - ergo before release there couldn't be a way to tell if it's there or not (for non insider consumers) - ergo that GOG reasoning is a bunch of BS.

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Leevi: B) Any idiotic leader in the world can and should be made fun of
If EVERY world country leader would take casual insults seriously we would be already past WW3, hey, maybe even WW4.

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B1tF1ghter: Have you EVER written any software?
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toxicTom: You clearly haven't.
Really?
And what exactly makes you come to that conclusion?
Do you have any proof for that claim?
You know, it's funny, I merely asked a question in my post, meanwhile you stright out claim to know my life's history :P

As a matter of a fact I have coded in the past in few different languages. I have also dealt with a vast amount of bugs in existing software that is claimed to be patched "long ago".
I can certainly tell from my own experience that some things are a b*tch to debug without debugging software.

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toxicTom: You throw a lot of words around that make you seem competent
Perhaps you wanted to say "make you seem you want to be seen as competent"? No?
Well, if not then phrasing of your sentence makes it sound like you actually acknowledge and see me as competent :P

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toxicTom: but any real dev sees easily through this
Well excuse my rudeness politely pointing out the obvious, but good coding practises call for fundamental testing to ensure your piece of code is of quality.
If you think persona thinking that is not a real dev then it's entirely your choice to think so but it really doesn't change anything whatsoever in this world nor related persona's IT & technological background.

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toxicTom: You should really stop to embarrass yourself
Gee, if only I would care about your opinion in that regard.

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toxicTom: I have sent in Amiga disks to get an updated version, and only s few weeks later I got new disks back with the fix for the game-breaking bug
Good for you. Maybe you were also sending them cash along with those disks to "throw money at a problem". Maybe they also already knew about a problem and merely gave you beta patch that they already had cooked up.
Who knows. And frankly I don't care. That sentence of yours really doesn't change anything in what I have said.

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toxicTom: And sorry to say that from you wall of text
Me wall of text sometime cringe at you lack spellchecking.

Also if you think that was a wall of text then you clearly haven't seen my ACTUAL wall of text ;)

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toxicTom: you should seek professional help
Are you implying I am having some sort of mental issues?
Because what you wrote makes it seem like you are. And that's incredibly rude and inappropriate.

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toxicTom: Not everybody out there to get you and intend to screw you over.
I am not a masochist so I would certainly not seek "everybody out there to get me and intend to screw me other".

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toxicTom: Mistakes happen, and the more complex the product the more possible points of failure
Yet another reason to spend more time on testing it then. If you know your product is complex it would be ignorant to think you can get away with insufficient QA team & time.

There is also pretty sharp difference between mistakes and negligence.

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toxicTom: Sometimes two identical set up systems (from scratch) will behave in wildly different ways
No. If you have 2 systems that are supposed to be exact copies and they behave "WILDLY" different it means you have not dug deep enough to see they have differences and subsequently you failed to ensure they are the exact same.

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toxicTom: I've been there, I've scratched my head until I lost hair, and I fixed it.
I will not quote certain line of yours because unlike you I will not judge your mental health by simple shorterm interactions on public-facing global-network-hosted forum.
Anyway, congratulations, I have made plenty of mistakes in my life, many in technology-related areas, and fixed some % of them, but I did not rip my hair off since I value my health and would like to have some hair left for later on.

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toxicTom: I'm writing software since the 90's btw
I use Arch btw.
Honestly, why should anybody care?
Age is no guarantee of experience.
Same for work hours spend in some area.

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Leevi: Any idiotic leader in the world can and should be made fun of
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D.Keys: The deep conflict you're talking about is what is Truth, in the first place.
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(Philosophical question, those who understand, will understand where Im getting at.)
Well we live in a world where people are lazy and generally don't verify their data, see correcting and pointing out their mistakes as a personal attack instead of generosity and enlightenment source, where people are notoriously easy to mislead and any sh*t can fly as long as it's popular(belief) enough, where "convenience over privacy" is majority's jam and getting out of thy self comfort zone is like making suborbital base jump for most.

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viperfdl: boycott by a few people in relation to the majority
I think it's worth noting that some % of boycotting people are long-time loyal customers that are financial spend HVTs.

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The_Puppet94: do I want to boykott GOG out of business? Not really till now there aren't really convincing alternatives for me
You can choose to passively (doing nothing) "let them continue" and "see if they change" (yeah, good luck with that) or you can make drastic steps to make them reconsider their business choices.
People don't want to "burn the company to the ground".
The whole point of boycott is to force them to change for the better.

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amok: The large ones, and the good ones will have procedures for testing and QA, though
Ironically quality control is often better in small indie studios. There is a considerable slack and "corpo mentality" in bigger, AAA studios where people think "since customers are used to broken releases they will defintitely let this one slide too".

edit: fixed one spelling mistake and replaced one word with correct intended one
Post edited February 01, 2021 by B1tF1ghter
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Time4Tea: I had been planning to spend $150-200 on GOG this year
lol ok

might as well stop with the faux concern, not like you actually care about anything besides pushing your sinophobic politics, but I hope all the time you've spent itt was worth the literal tens of people you 'convinced'
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zykour: lol ok

might as well stop with the faux concern,
Says the guy with 177 games in his library. lol
You ain't exactly a power user, bro.

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zykour: sinophobic politics
Not wanting a company to bend the knee to a foreign power, and in so doing fucking over the whole rest of the world, has nothing to do with sinophobia - it's just common sense.

Imagine if - in an effort to appease German regulators - gog hadn't just region locked the Wolfenstein games, but instead pulled them from the catalogue entirely. Would you accuse everyone who'd complain about that of being germanophobic?
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zykour: sinophobic politics
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fronzelneekburm: Not wanting a company to bend the knee to a foreign power, and in so doing fucking over the whole rest of the world, has nothing to do with sinophobia - it's just common sense.

Imagine if - in an effort to appease German regulators - gog hadn't just region locked the Wolfenstein games, but instead pulled them from the catalogue entirely. Would you accuse everyone who'd complain about that of being germanophobic?
Well, then most of the Germans would have to be germanophobic. ;-) I think we Germans are the ones complaining about the German censorship the most. But if GOG had decided to deprieve all the worlds of all the games that are indexed in Germany or Australia ... that would have been a very, very stupid and mean decision. Just like it is with Devotion. Not selling it in China - sure. That's the decision of the Chinese censors and GOG can't do anything about it. Not selling it to the rest of the world, just because Xinnies ego is hurt? ... That is a very bad move on GOG's part. Maybe they are blackmailed by Tencent through the Epic deal. (which was a bad move too)

But blaming it on "many gamers" is just pathetic!
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Lifthrasil: But blaming it on "many gamers" is just pathetic!
They also blamed the Epic deal on requests from "gamers"

xD
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viperfdl: boycott by a few people in relation to the majority
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B1tF1ghter: I think it's worth noting that some % of boycotting people are long-time loyal customers that are financial spend HVTs.
Do you mean High Value Targets with HVTs?
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B1tF1ghter: I think it's worth noting that some % of boycotting people are long-time loyal customers that are financial spend HVTs.
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viperfdl: Do you mean High Value Targets with HVTs?
Yes, and by targetting I mean GOG targetting their wallets ;)
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viperfdl: Do you mean High Value Targets with HVTs?
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B1tF1ghter: Yes, and by targetting I mean GOG targetting their wallets ;)
True. GOG used to be very good at targeting my wallet. But now it's closed to them.
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Lifthrasil: Maybe they are blackmailed by Tencent through the Epic deal. (which was a bad move too)

But blaming it on "many gamers" is just pathetic!
Blackmailing with Tencent / Epic is a more likely reason than "many gamers", GOG wanting to make money in China is the likeliest reason for it, but Chinese having compromised GOG servers is also more likely than "many gamers". I am boycotting GOG so I removed my credit card info from GOG, maybe a good idea to remove CC info even if you continue to buy things from GOG.

"The GDPR states that a personal data breach shall be notified without undue delay and, where feasible, not later than after 72 hours" but maybe GOG fears the Chinese and effects of any data leak more than they fear EU fines.
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Leevi: [...]
I removed my credit card info from GOG, maybe a good idea to remove CC info even if you continue to buy things from GOG.
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FYI - it's a good idea to never store your CC info on any website. all systems can be cracked
Post edited February 02, 2021 by amok
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Leevi: I am boycotting GOG so I removed my credit card info from GOG, maybe a good idea to remove CC info even if you continue to buy things from GOG.

"The GDPR states that a personal data breach shall be notified without undue delay and, where feasible, not later than after 72 hours" but maybe GOG fears the Chinese and effects of any data leak more than they fear EU fines.
If people were worried about that they would already be boycotting due to the google,twitter,facebook, amazon,zen information leakage.
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amok: FYI - it's a good idea to never store your CC info on any website. all systems can be cracked
Plenty of websites do it without permission.
Post edited February 02, 2021 by §pectre
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Leevi: I am boycotting GOG so I removed my credit card info from GOG, maybe a good idea to remove CC info even if you continue to buy things from GOG.

"The GDPR states that a personal data breach shall be notified without undue delay and, where feasible, not later than after 72 hours" but maybe GOG fears the Chinese and effects of any data leak more than they fear EU fines.
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§pectre: If people were worried about that they would already be boycotting due to the google,twitter,facebook, amazon,zen information leakage.
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amok: FYI - it's a good idea to never store your CC info on any website. all systems can be cracked
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§pectre: Plenty of websites do it without permission.
there are indeed plenty of bad websites out there, yes. other insights?
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zykour: lol ok

might as well stop with the faux concern,
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fronzelneekburm: Says the guy with 177 games in his library. lol
You ain't exactly a power user, bro.
????? ?????

?????

I'm not the one making a boycott and claiming i'll be spending hundred of dollars, so why does my library have anything to do with what i said???

i'm so confused

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fronzelneekburm: Not wanting a company to bend the knee to a foreign power
that's literally not what happened, sooo disingenuous

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fronzelneekburm: and in so doing fucking over the whole rest of the world
... lol

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fronzelneekburm: Imagine if - in an effort to appease German regulators - gog hadn't just region locked the Wolfenstein games, but instead pulled them from the catalogue entirely. Would you accuse everyone who'd complain about that of being germanophobic?
false equivalency aside, no, I wouldn't, for any number of reasons.

edit: typos, etc.
Post edited February 02, 2021 by zykour
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zykour: i'm so confused
That's the only thing you said so far that's true.
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zykour: I'm not the one making a boycott and claiming i'll be spending hundred of dollars, so why does my library have anything to do with what i said???
I'm not sure how the size of anyone's library is particularly relevant. But, I am also confused about what your original point was supposed to be. I have spent almost $50 so far on Zoom Platform since December and I intend to continue throughout the rest of the year. I am so far very satisfied with the DRM-free games I have bought there.

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fronzelneekburm: Not wanting a company to bend the knee to a foreign power
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zykour: that's literally not what happened, sooo disingenuous
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what actually happened then, seeing as you seem to know something that we don't?
Post edited February 02, 2021 by Time4Tea