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Thread name change has been done. Credit where it's due: the GOG staff member that I reached out to responded very quickly.
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Greybriar: Sorry, but I do not plan on boycotting GOG.com as it is my only reliable source of DRM-Free games. On the contrary, I plan on purchasing more games from GOG to help them financially so they won't go out of business or quit selling DRM-Free games.
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§pec†re: Or you're just helping their investors instead.
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GamezRanker: (I recently got told it is more or less verboten to talk about 'the sickness that shall not be named' on the forums)
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§pec†re: Is this yet more overreach responsible for topics disappearing?

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Elkinda: I am a lurker showing my support.

I decided to start boycotting GoG for a multiple of reasons, mainly porn games.
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Leevi: Don't agree with your main reason, but then again, I have no idea what sort of porn games, or games at all GOG has been releasing this year.
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§pec†re: Gog doesn't have any real "porn" games. At best they're titillation for teenagers.The worst was some video scenes in subverse.
Here is a good example (this one is brand new in days 2)
https://www.gog.com/en/game/being_a_dik_season_2

This kind of stuff dosen't belong on a site like the one I used to know. I don't know
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Elkinda: Here is a good example (this one is brand new in days 2)
https://www.gog.com/en/game/being_a_dik_season_2

This kind of stuff dosen't belong on a site like the one I used to know. I don't know
I think censorship (for violent or sexual content) is not a substitute for education.

I'm a fairly intelligent, critical, well educated, middle aged man. I have a well developed filter that I can use to parse fiction from reality and determine what actions represented in games should remain in the realm of fiction.

I'm glad GOG is diversifying. I'm always open to expand my horizons, gaming and otherwise.

Honestly, I'm not the target demographic for this game, but if it was dirt cheap (like maybe 1$), I'd probably try out the first instalment in the franchise to satisfy my curiosity, though I doubt I'd play it to completion or pick up the second instalment.
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Elkinda: Here is a good example (this one is brand new in days 2)
https://www.gog.com/en/game/being_a_dik_season_2

This kind of stuff dosen't belong on a site like the one I used to know. I don't know
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Magnitus: I think censorship (for violent or sexual content) is not a substitute for education.

I'm a fairly intelligent, critical, well educated, middle aged man. I have a well developed filter that I can use to parse fiction from reality and determine what actions represented in games should remain in the realm of fiction.

I'm glad GOG is diversifying. I'm always open to expand my horizons, gaming and otherwise.

Honestly, I'm not the target demographic for this game, but if it was dirt cheap (like maybe 1$), I'd probably try out the first instalment in the franchise to satisfy my curiosity, though I doubt I'd play it to completion or pick up the second instalment.
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Elkinda: ew
I vaguely recall some literature I read in the past to explain the different between conservatism and liberalism (explained by curiosity vs revulsion), but I have heavy liberal slant (I'm very curious).

My sense of curiosity is significantly stronger than my sense of revulsion, though also strongly tempered by a sense of caution (hence why I've never tried drugs) and a sense of empathy for others (hence why I don't engage in experiences that hurts others).

Playing a stupid game doesn't endanger me or hurt others, hence curiosity wins over revulsion I share about the questionable ethical mores explored in the game.

That being said, once the curiosity is gone, only the revulsion remains, hence why I'd be unlikely to complete the game or play the sequel.
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Elkinda: ew
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Magnitus: I vaguely recall some literature I read in the past to explain the different between conservatism and liberalism (explained by curiosity vs revulsion), but I have heavy liberal slant (I'm very curious).

My sense of curiosity is significantly stronger than my sense of revulsion, though also strongly tempered by a sense of caution (hence why I've never tried drugs) and a sense of empathy for others (hence why I don't engage in experiences that hurts others).

Playing a stupid game doesn't endanger me or hurt others, hence curiosity wins over revulsion I share about the questionable ethical mores explored in the game.

That being said, once the curiosity is gone, only the revulsion remains, hence why I'd be unlikely to complete the game or play the sequel.
so your opinion on porn games is....?
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Elkinda: so your opinion on porn games is....?
Put some age restriction to give parents authority over what they expose their children to and otherwise let them be.

If the game doesn't have any appeal other than sex, its reviews will tank (sex isn't great for holding people's attention for any length of time as most relationships solely based on it will attest).

If the game has something to offer beyond that, then it is a decent game with sexual elements in it (and as in life, sex can have a place in games, it just can't occupy all the space as that will make it too one-dimensional).

It is simply an additional dimension for games to explore. Sometimes, when I play a game and there is a romantic connection between the characters, sex is an obvious by-product of that connection. Forcefully removing the sex from it feels as contrived as splashing sex all over the place with no rhyme or reason.
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Elkinda: so your opinion on porn games is....?
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Magnitus: Put some age restriction to give parents authority over what they expose their children to and otherwise let them be.

If the game doesn't have any appeal other than sex, its reviews will tank (sex isn't great for holding people's attention for any length of time as most relationships solely based on it will attest).

If the game has something to offer beyond that, then it is a decent game with sexual elements in it (and as in life, sex can have a place in games, it just can't occupy all the space as that will make it too one-dimensional).

It is simply an additional dimension for games to explore. Sometimes, when I play a game and there is a romantic connection between the characters, sex is an obvious by-product of that connection. Forcefully removing the sex from it feels as contrived as splashing sex all over the place with no rhyme or reason.
accessibility is the main problem to me, even with an age verification system. kids will find this trash no problem. I'm ok with not censoring a game like don't be dick, it does not belong here. maybe a side store would be fine? what do you think?
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Elkinda: accessibility is the main problem to me, even with an age verification system. kids will find this trash no problem. I'm ok with not censoring a game like don't be dick, it does not belong here. maybe a side store would be fine? what do you think?
Given that the store requires payment to purchase games and that I believe you can't get a credit card (or Paypal account) before you are 18 in Canada, this puts an age restriction to purchase games directly from the store right there.

Otherwise, I wouldn't give my (yet to exist) children direct access to my GOG account. The "sexual depictions" would be the least of my worries, there are some pretty violent and otherwise disturbing games here that I wouldn't want my pre-teens exposed to before they've had the chance to gather a bit more life experience and perspective.

If they want to watch explicit sexual content, I think free to access porn sites give a far lower barriers of entry to minors than sites requiring a credit card to access content.
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richlind33: Well said, amok. Always a good thing to use language in accordance with established definitions.
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Hexchild: I would have to agree with that as a general practice. But if we're getting into that territory, let's scrutinize. I see no requirement in those definitions that the refusal, withdrawal, punishment, protest, coercion etc. would have to be consistent. The only actual qualifier to that I see in any of them is "concerted" and only one of the definitions includes that.

The most you could argue IMO is that if the refusal is not all-encompassing, this implies the boycott is also not all-encompassing. I think that's fair to argue in such cases, but I don't see that there's much point in that line of argumentation.
That's like arguing that "not doing business" doesn't necessarily mean not doing *any* business.

If "not doing business" doesn't mean not doing business, it doesn't mean anything at all, and language becomes degraded and is no longer an effective tool for communication.
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Magnitus: Otherwise, I wouldn't give my (yet to exist) children direct access to my GOG account. The "sexual depictions" would be the least of my worries, there are some pretty violent and otherwise disturbing games here that I wouldn't want my pre-teens exposed to before they've had the chance to gather a bit more life experience and perspective.
Welcome to the USA.
Violence, blood, body parts, massacres?
No problem as long as the body part is not a naked female breast...

At the same time the biggest supplier of porn.





Btw, its funny to see where this thread is heading now...
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Hexchild: I would have to agree with that as a general practice. But if we're getting into that territory, let's scrutinize. I see no requirement in those definitions that the refusal, withdrawal, punishment, protest, coercion etc. would have to be consistent. The only actual qualifier to that I see in any of them is "concerted" and only one of the definitions includes that.

The most you could argue IMO is that if the refusal is not all-encompassing, this implies the boycott is also not all-encompassing. I think that's fair to argue in such cases, but I don't see that there's much point in that line of argumentation.
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richlind33: That's like arguing that "not doing business" doesn't necessarily mean not doing *any* business.

If "not doing business" doesn't mean not doing business, it doesn't mean anything at all, and language becomes degraded and is no longer an effective tool for communication.
Not really. If you do business during only certain months of the year, there'd be nothing wrong with saying you're "not doing business" during the other months.

Similarly, based on what was posted here, T4T has been boycotting during (at least most of) 2021, and will also be boycotting during 2022. Taking a very short break from the boycott doesn't mean that there was no boycott.
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richlind33: That's like arguing that "not doing business" doesn't necessarily mean not doing *any* business.

If "not doing business" doesn't mean not doing business, it doesn't mean anything at all, and language becomes degraded and is no longer an effective tool for communication.
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Hexchild: Not really. If you do business during only certain months of the year, there'd be nothing wrong with saying you're "not doing business" during the other months.

Similarly, based on what was posted here, T4T has been boycotting during (at least most of) 2021, and will also be boycotting during 2022. Taking a very short break from the boycott doesn't mean that there was no boycott.
He probably deserves an achievement, or Nobel Peace Prize, but beyond that, it looks an awful lot like virtue signaling -- especially when he claims he's "offering GOG an olive branch".
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Time4Tea: Ok, so apparently the community forum moderators aren't able to change the thread title.
Speaking of: I find it odd that CMs cannot change thread titles, yet they can remove entire threads.

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Time4Tea: Thread name change has been done. Credit where it's due: the GOG staff member that I reached out to responded very quickly.
That they did


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richlind33: He probably deserves an achievement, or Nobel Peace Prize, but beyond that, it looks an awful lot like virtue signaling --
You mean just like some here when they say/infer/imply that OP isn't boycotting enough or in the right way? ;)
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Hexchild: Not really. If you do business during only certain months of the year, there'd be nothing wrong with saying you're "not doing business" during the other months.

Similarly, based on what was posted here, T4T has been boycotting during (at least most of) 2021, and will also be boycotting during 2022. Taking a very short break from the boycott doesn't mean that there was no boycott.
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richlind33: He probably deserves an achievement, or Nobel Peace Prize, but beyond that, it looks an awful lot like virtue signaling -- especially when he claims he's "offering GOG an olive branch".
Virtue signaling. Interesting label, that. It's always seemed to me like an easy out for people who don't care too much about personal integrity to rationalize it as motivated by attention seeking, so as to suppress and disregard the notion that other people might have some actual integrity (and also an easy but potent way for trolls to instigate some emotionally charged chaos). I can't know what your actual motivations are, of course, just like neither of us can know T4T's motivations.

My personal take on GOG's recent communication isn't the same as T4T's, but I see no issue with rewarding what's seen as good behavior.

Regardless, in this case, to the extent GOG is affected by this boycott, it's also important for them to understand people's intentions, so expressing them is crucial IMO.