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B1tF1ghter: You and many others are trying to discredit Valve and dismiss everything positive they have done and keep doing for the industry, out of pure hate, and you completely ignore that they forced industry into some actual STANDARDS.
No, I'm saying that the drawbacks outweigh the positives, enough for me to not consider that particular store an option.
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B1tF1ghter: Valve came in and created a platform that allowed cheaper method of game distribution (digitally) with added many benefits.
A centralised hub for games.
It does require an account. But how do you want to create something like this without it?
GOG requires an ACCOUNT to DOWNLOAD games too. The only difference is that Steam does not provide offline installers.
That's LITERALLY the only difference for download-install account authorisation process between them.

And after you install games on Steam you don't actually have to have internet connection to play almost all of them, assuming they only contain Valve-provided forms of DRM.
Steam stub is so casual you can move your entire install of Steam with games between computers.
You then have offline mode.
Many games don't even contain Steam Stub and can be directly played from exe.

Also developers generally stopped mixing different DRMs and for example when Denuvo gets removed then it often turns out there is NOTHING left - example being DMC5 before Virgil update or RE2Remake before (I think) "RE3 advert" update.
Most new games with external DRM are like that.

Saying Valve "encourages DRM" is a LIE. Stop lying.
They provide the means and it's entirely up to the developer if they use them or not.
Most in fact don't and instead go for external DRMs that Valve has nothing to do with.
There is nothing in the agreement forcing you to use Valve provided ones, or any at all for that matter.
Also Valve is in no way responsible for 3rd party DRMs being put into games. If developer decides to put Denuvo into their game Valve has NOTHING to do with that.
In fact Valve's own games are basically DRM-free if you know specific cvars.
So, nice try, but Valve isn't that bad as some people are trying to paint it.
No offline-installers is reason enough to ignore them. That's why GOG is the best place to buy games hands down.

Of course "almost all of them" can be played offline, or be easily made to. Why? Because Steam is a literal dumpster for PC gaming. Most of the people releasing games hardly even care about them. They had over 30,000 releases from 2018-2020, and almost all of them are crap that probably shouldn't even be sold there. That's completely insane. Playstation 4 has around 3,200 game total, and we all know how long that's been around for.

If anyone does have Steam games installed you can try launching them from the executables and see what happens. I'll bet most are going to attempt to launch Steam in the process. That was certainly the case with the games I owned on Steam. Maybe easily made to run offline, or remove "DRM", but not without work on the users part.

Offline mode? It's trash. You have to be online to actually start offline mode, do you not? If I need offline mode it's probably because I don't have a connection, so what good does it do me most of the time if I need to be online to set it up? Don't need an internet connection to start Galaxy, or play games if you choose to install them through Galaxy.

And while I guess you could argue that Valve doesn't encourage DRM, but it's also very true that they don't discourage it either. This is the same Valve that said that aggressive DRM being the reason for having a negative review is considered an "off-topic" review and therefor thrown out, and not counted. Basically you can't leave a negative option about DRM that affects your purchase. They censoring or silencing your voice on something you paid for, because it might cost them money... Scum.

Valve is a shit company, and they want developers to do whatever they want as long as they make Valve money. They don't even care about Steam. It's like a literal landfill where you have to wade through filth to find something you want. Valve puts very little work in, has a very low number of employees, and collect an outrageous royalty split in the process. They let anyone self publish whatever asset flips, shovelware, porn, whatever they want, while Valve sits back doing little to nothing.

I completed dropped Valve and Steam, and haven't bought a game there in probably close to two years. Every game I've bought since has been on GOG, and I'm honestly enjoying my games more. I feel good about supporting this platform, and I feel like I own what I buy and have total control over it. You know, that they're not just on a rental service. Which Valve themselves have openly said that Steam is a rental service with "lifetime" rentals.

No GOG = No Buy. **** Steam and **** Valve.
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B1tF1ghter: Wait, driver SAN FRANCISCO was here?
I guess I must have missed it then :/

edit: fixed something
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albinistic: I meant that Ubisoft stopped licensing the game and is not available in any digital stores and now only purchasable in shady code shops or physical copies. That means it is now almost a guaranteed to never come to GOG. :(
Oh, well the D SF predicament in Ubi store is rather bizzare.
Hopefully it will get resolved SOMEDAY and then MAYBE we could MAYBE get it here.

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B1tF1ghter: You and many others are trying to discredit Valve and dismiss everything positive they have done and keep doing for the industry, out of pure hate, and you completely ignore that they forced industry into some actual STANDARDS.
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dtgreene: No, I'm saying that the drawbacks outweigh the positives, enough for me to not consider that particular store an option.
Then just have the courage to say that it is like that for you and you just don't want to buy there instead of making up sh*t to try to make them look bad.
They DON'T "encourage DRM". That was a pure lie on your part.
As for the "choices of stores". That's ok, you have the right to your own opinion and so do I. But please don't make accusations up.

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B1tF1ghter: ...
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TomNuke: GOG is the best place to buy games hands down.
1.I disagree. There are some better places for the same niche (don't confuse that with "same size catalouge"), ones that for example don't abandon their core principles (AKA "lie to customers")
2.You must have missed the fact that MANY games here have outdated offline installers compared with Galaxy-based installs for the very same games. "Coincidentially" this clashes with TOS text of "Galaxy is ALWAYS optional" which it is clearly NOT now since to get the most uptodate experience for quite some games here you have to use it.

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TomNuke: Offline mode? It's trash. You have to be online to actually start offline mode, do you not?
Don't you have to be online to download the game first?
You can also use Goldberg and the likes, and while not official it is certainly an option.

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TomNuke: This is the same Valve that said that aggressive DRM being the reason for having a negative review is considered an "off-topic" review and therefor thrown out, and not counted. Basically you can't leave a negative option about DRM that affects your purchase.
Technically this is correct because there are actual guidelances for reviews there and it's people's fault for not reading that the review is supposed to review the game itself and not it's launching protections.
If you have a problem with DRM you should make rucuss in game-specific sub-forum instead of poisoning the review pool which in turn malforms the positive/negative ratio making it seem like GAME CONTENT is worse than it is according to averaged opinion.

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TomNuke: Valve is a shit company, and they want developers to do whatever they want as long as they make Valve money. They don't even care about Steam. It's like a literal landfill where you have to wade through filth to find something you want. Valve puts very little work in, has a very low number of employees, and collect an outrageous royalty split in the process. They let anyone self publish whatever asset flips, shovelware, porn, whatever they want, while Valve sits back doing little to nothing.
You gave me a quote disection goldmine here.
You are wrong in basically every part.
But considering what kind of attitude you show here I won't comment on this BSerry because you would likely ignore facts again.

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TomNuke: Every game I've bought since has been on GOG (...) I feel good about supporting this platform, and I feel like I own what I buy and have total control over it. You know, that they're not just on a rental service. Which Valve themselves have openly said that Steam is a rental service with "lifetime" rentals.
You can thank somewhat retarded EU DIGITAL software resale laws for that.
Also, "by the way" (yet another thing you missed eh?), GOG is actively refining their TOS and store and it does seem less like you own anything over time.
They for example removed "100%" from "100% DRM-free" everywhere.

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TomNuke: No GOG = No Buy. **** Steam and **** Valve.
Oh, so you care about specificly getting things on GOG?
And not "*true* DRM free first and foremost"?
Good for you. I have a different approach then.

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TomNuke: And while I guess you could argue that Valve doesn't encourage DRM, but it's also very true that they don't discourage it either.
I think you completely missed the news.
GOG no longer discourages developers from using DRM.
There was a statement from a blue posted in another thread, and there's even a quote in OP of this one.
Here's the link to the ogirinal:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/post413
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B1tF1ghter: So you (...) care about GOG (...) principles.
Great /s
Thank You! ^ ;D

> edited joke ☺ peace from 11th June `21 ^
Post edited June 11, 2021 by user deleted
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B1tF1ghter: So you (...) care about GOG (...) principles.
Great /s
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Seb3.7: Thank You! ^ ;D

Joke
Ah yes, let's malform what I have actually said eh?
And if that malformed quote is what you actually meant then you just contradicted yourself with that original message I responded to in that malformed quote.
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B1tF1ghter: Ah yes, (...) I (...) malformed quote.
Learning from you. From anyone, I talking to. You know interesting technical and writing tricks Mr B1tF1ghter.

If there is a secret agency hiring people with writing skills would I state it here?
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B1tF1ghter: Ah yes, (...) I (...) malformed quote.
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Seb3.7: Learning from you. From anyone, I talking to. You know interesting technical and writing tricks Mr B1tF1ghter.
I stripped the original quote from irrelevant parts. Whereas you completely changed the meaning of conveyed message.
But of course you won't see the differene. Because why would you.
It's better to make a "joke" isn't it?
"WHY SO SERIOUS"?
It's better to dismiss your lack of reason to spread your "Batman rainbow of blind GOG support" in a thread where people clearly don't represent your spending habits and according to your original post aren't even representing your beliefs (you clearly said you don't care about some of actions of GOG that people here grief against) under a guise of a "joke" isn't it?
*Sigh*

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Seb3.7: If there is a secret agency hiring people with writing skills would I state it here?
Ask someone else.
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B1tF1ghter: It's better to make a "joke" isn't it?
lol, you are funny!

I would love to deeply explain to you, why DRM would never be on the way to play a game for me, but:
"Linking to cracks, key generators, pirated content and promoting piracy overall. However, discussions about piracy are generally acceptable." - Forum Code of Conduct . Short saying, I only pay for games here.
You could use, my: "I don`t care about DRM" ambiguous statement for or against me.

I like GOG.com, they are brave, they openly said they got "queer GOG Team members"! :D
https://www.gog.com/partner/pride_month_collection

I don`t know, This promo is more interesting than arguing with you, don`t worry about me, carry on.
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Seb3.7: I like GOG.com, they are brave, they openly said they got "queer GOG Team members"! :D
https://www.gog.com/partner/pride_month_collection
Why isn't Ikenfell in that collection? That game definitely deserves to be in that collection.

Also, why no announcement about this?

Edit: Also, why the low rating?
Post edited June 02, 2021 by dtgreene
I've been true to my word and not spent a cent here since the Devotion thing (which to me was just the last straw). I'm going to go out on a limb and say GOG have addressed neither that, nor the creeping-in of DRMed content on some releases.On the bright side, I see Devotion now has OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!1 votes.
Post edited June 02, 2021 by Lesser Blight Elemental
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Lesser Blight Elemental: I've been true to my word and not spent a cent here since the Devotion thing (which to me was just the last straw). I'm going to go out on a limb and say GOG have addressed neither that, nor the creeping-in of DRMed content on some releases.On the bright side, I see Devotion now has OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!1 votes.
Yep, that is the worst thing. Not a single word on any issue raised here, or in fact over the last few years. Almost no fixes (only one I can think of was no mans sky) either. Probably 1or 200£ lost in sales now.
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Seb3.7: I like GOG.com, they are brave, they openly said they got "queer GOG Team members"! :D
https://www.gog.com/partner/pride_month_collection

I don`t know, This promo is more interesting than arguing with you, don`t worry about me, carry on.
I am not sure about all these games on this list and why they are on there. If this list is supposed to show LGBTQ+ themed games, I really don't see the theme in a lot of games on this list.
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The_Puppet94: But all of these people have their very unique reasons not necessarly tied to the complaints OP has.
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B1tF1ghter: Pick one.
You cannot both say that people here represent different reasons to boycott, some of which are COMPLETELY MISALIGNED with the original statement/opening post of this thread (which is TRUE, probably for majority even), AND then simulatenously say that "only the OP post is important anyway".
In fact not too many people being vocal in this thread agree 100% with OP post.
Most people have their own reasons.
And majority here doesn't boycott BECAUSE OF this thread.
Most (of the vocal ones) simply found it and started talking with people sharing SIMILAR views.
You are right, my statement is confusing. To Boycott something no thread is needed. If you are unhappy with a store politics don't buy. So the thread isn't needed. So IMO there is no need to keep up to date to this thread.

But if you want, you can always voice your concerns here and chat with likeminded people here without BEEING 100% up to date of all small or bigger discussions in it.

Since OP started the thread with his believes, his post is important. I dont post in threads where I dont read the starting post, its imo pointless.

Boykott or don't boycott for whatever reasons (and this thread is hardly a reason for anything). My post was directed to the person concerned about keeping up with this particular thread before posting and my advice was read the OP post (since thats common sence before positin in any thread) and than voice your own thoughts, the 100+ other posts are not neccessary for voicing your own mind on this boycot topic. Since you probably had your reasons for boycotting or not boycotting before you ever found this discussion here

I hope I made myself a bit clearer now.
I thought I'd keep a record of GOG games I would definitely have bought, were it not for my boycott.

GAMES NOT BOUGHT ON GOG IN 2021
(1) 18/1/21: Dread Nautical - $10
(2) 18/1/21: Operencia: The Stolen Sun - $15
(3) 29/1/21: Way of the Samurai 3 Deluxe - $2.5
(4) 29/1/21: Way of the Samurai 4 + DLC - $3.5
(5) 10/2/21: Drakensang - $3
(6) 10/2/21: Commander Keen Complete Pack - $1.5
(7) 10/2/21: XCOM 2 - $4.5
(8) 26/2/21: Cardaclysm: Shards of the Four - $9
(9) 22/3/21: Raji: An Ancient Epic - $12.5
(10) 30/3/21: Worms World Party Remastered - $2
(11) 2/4/21: Steel Rats Original Soundtrack - $1
(12) 29/4/21: Hob - $4
(13) 30/4/21: The 7th Circle - Endless Nightmare - $5
(14) 3/6/21: Warhammer Quest Deluxe - $4.5
(15) 3/6/21: Warhammer Quest 2: The End Times - $10

Total not spent on GOG so far: $88

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Additionally, after 12 years of buying nothing but GOG, I have finally decided to buy video games elsewhere.

GAMES BOUGHT ELSEWHERE IN 2021
(1) Humble Store - $3

Total spent elsewhere so far: $3

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mrkgnao: I thought I'd keep a record of GOG games I would definitely have bought, were it not for my boycott.

(12) 29/4/21: Hob - $4
Its a shame you didn't get your hands on Hob, I hope you can find it somewhere else. Its fun to play. But kudos to your dedication overall :)