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This boycott is great!! I am saving loads of money, and playing other games. And now I binned 70% of my collection, gone down from around 20k records on the spreadsheet to just over 5k, amazing how much rubbish is produced now/I have been saving on hard drives.
Can heartily recommend it to everyone!!
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nightcraw1er.488: This boycott is great!! I am saving loads of money, and playing other games. And now I binned 70% of my collection, gone down from around 20k records on the spreadsheet to just over 5k, amazing how much rubbish is produced now/I have been saving on hard drives.
Can heartily recommend it to everyone!!
Are you buying from other DRM-free services or do you have plenty of games to play already?
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ReynardFox: Would love to have been a fly on the wall in GOG's offices over the last few years, I can't even begin to imagine what the hell is going on over there.
If I‘d have to guess, it is like in many companies. „Normal staff“ is more and more pressured into working more and get more and more tasks and the higher ups are happy and don‘t have a clue about the real situation in their company.
Just look at what was said about Cyerjunk before its „great“ release.
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Zrevnur: Edit 2: Found a proper source: <2% of 2019 CDP profit is from GOG: https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-content/uploads-en/2020/04/consolidated-financial-statement-of-the-cd-projekt-group-for-2019.pdf Probably they trimmed the numbers (or their operations) to get >0.
Now, here's the thing, what are you even expecting for GOG to have cut like if, to quote CP2077 page "100% of your money goes to CD PROJECT GROUP" (https://web.archive.org/web/20201125083824/www.cyberpunk.net/pl/en/pre-order).
Effectively nobody publicly knows if GOG even gets a cut from this. Yes, money stays "within CDP group" but that can very well mean CDPR is literally taking 100% of the money from all purchases of CDPR products on GOG.
Which, IMO, could be a major amount of, possibly most of money GOG makes (or made within years of it's existence if we are supposed to believe suspiciously static "top sellers" with CDPR products usually somewhere on or near the top).
The "money stays within mother company" is about as insightful as "Z amount of money from Bethesda proceeds stays within ZeniMax Media".
GOG is subsidiary of CDP group.
And if the most we are getting is vague "money stays within CDP group" it could technically mean all of it goes to CDPR and none to GOG.

My point is, "consolidated" financial statements are pretty worthless by itself.
Why?
Since GOG, a subsidiary of CDP group, sells products of CDPR, which is also a subsidiary of CDP group, WHO EXACTLY even knows what kind of "cut agreement" GOG has for SPECIFICLY CDPR products?
I am not defending GOG in any way. I'm suspecting most of it's current problems stem from HQ, but there is also some real possibility on top of that CDP group neglects GOG's financing, which would only accelerate whatever BS GOG pulls now.

edit: fixed spelling
Post edited February 18, 2021 by B1tF1ghter
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nightcraw1er.488: This boycott is great!! I am saving loads of money, and playing other games. And now I binned 70% of my collection, gone down from around 20k records on the spreadsheet to just over 5k, amazing how much rubbish is produced now/I have been saving on hard drives.
Can heartily recommend it to everyone!!
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tfishell: Are you buying from other DRM-free services or do you have plenty of games to play already?
Not really brought much in a while TBH. Been collecting since very early days, heck going on 35 years now!. Just checked my tally from here, that’s over 1400 alone. Then add in roms from spec, amstrad, commodore, nes, SNES, all my (probably thousands) of discs, plus others brought, itch, fire-flower, shinyloot amongst others across stores (yes, you can buy games, then download a crack). Just all ends up sitting on the hard drives, most of it I will never play so the clean out was needed, plus loads of it was garbage, the permanently deleted list is growing rapidly. Have a load highlighted in yellow “in risk” which I need to play first.
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B1tF1ghter: Now, here's the thing, what are you even expecting for GOG to have cut like if, to quote CP2077 page "100% of your money goes to CD PROJECT GROUP" (https://web.archive.org/web/20201125083824/www.cyberpunk.net/pl/en/pre-order).
I dont think you should intermix financial statements (which have to follow certain laws and rules that CDP would get burned badly if they get caught not doing that) with advertisements.
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B1tF1ghter: Effectively nobody publicly knows if GOG even gets a cut from this.
I dont know if thats so or not - I already implied that. But there may be more info somewhere about it and/or there may be legislation/rules on such things which they need to adhere to. I also would expect this to show up in the available data - especially Cyberpunk 2077 release quarter, probably also Witcher 3 (etc) release quarters. (I dont want to put in that effort now but somebody willing can probably deduce it just with this approach.)

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B1tF1ghter: GOG is subsidiary of CDP group.
And if the most we are getting is vague "money stays within CDP group" it could technically mean all of it goes to CDPR and none to GOG.
Again: You are intermixing reporting for shareholders with customer advertisements.

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B1tF1ghter: My point is, "consolidated" financial statements are pretty worthless by itself.
My main point was to provide evidence that GOG without CDPR games doesnt make much (or none) profit. I do believe the numbers in the given link support that claim.

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B1tF1ghter: I am not defending GOG in any way. I'm suspecting most of it's current problems stem from HQ,
Of course GOGs strategy is made by their "HQ". Thats also what I implied. One of GOGs main purposes being an outlet for CDPR games is also on their web page https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/capital-group/strategy/:

"Technological support for new CD PROJEKT RED development projects, including customized solutions for multiplayer gaming and other online features."

(It even implies that "multiplayer gaming" is an "online feature". Meaning they only want to do it as an online feature - presumably only over their servers.)
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Executer: Last $ spent Sep 2, 2016. ~750 games, owned the whole catalogue at one point.
I gave up all hope years ago.
Ok, thanks for sharing. Do you mind if I ask what it was that pushed you over the edge?
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Time4Tea: 2) Remove Gwent, No Man's Sky, Absolver (and any other DRMed games) from the store.
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Lifthrasil: By the way, No Man's Sky can be removed from that point. The DRM has been removed. Games with DRM-ed single player content are, to my knowledge: Absolver, Age on Wonders III, Battletech, Carcassonne, Cyberpunk, Dying Light, F.E.A.R. (incomplete Securom removal/only affects some players), Nex Machina and X4
Hi Lifthrasil. Thanks, I have removed No Man's Sky from the list, since Hello Games have been good enough to patch it to remove the DRMed content. I reworked the list a bit to now mention Absolver and Dying Light specifically, as well as providing a link to your list thread. I have also reworded point 2) to request that GOG work with the developers to get the DRM removed. However, I have broken Gwent out into a separate item. The DRM in Gwent is intrinsic. It can't be 'fixed' and the game simply needs to go. However, for the others there is the possibility that they can be patched.

We have seen some encouraging signs over the past several weeks. The DRM in No Man's Sky and Wasteland 3 has been removed (although in the NMS case, it is very unclear whether GOG had a part in it, or even knows about it). It would be nice to see a clear communication from GOG to reaffirm their commitment to 100% DRM-free and pledge to work with the other developers to get the DRM removed from the other games asap.

It seems we are also seeing some progress with maintenance of the offline installers, based on what I have seen in this thread. Is anyone aware of any games in particular, whose offline installers are lagging far behind Galaxy?

However, even with these possibly encouraging signs, the #1 item, Devotion, has not been addressed and GOG have still not graced the almost 9000 users who have signed the wishlist request with a response. For me, the release of Devotion on GOG is a non-negotiable. It must happen if I am going to consider ending my boycott.
Post edited February 19, 2021 by Time4Tea
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Time4Tea: It seems we are also seeing some progress with maintenance of the offline installers, based on what I have seen in this thread. Is anyone aware of any games in particular, whose offline installers are lagging far behind Galaxy?
Here is the list (there are some easily-identifiable false positives, especially towards the end):
https://airtable.com/shrldLsErlUf3eHqS/tbltXjS8fxEGG11eD

It's possible that a small number have been addressed today. If you want to be sure, wait until Saturday, at which point all those fixed will disappear from the list (and, most assuredly, new will appear).
Post edited February 19, 2021 by mrkgnao
Damn, Stubbs is a fun game. Still have a retail copy. Would've been an instabuy.

Unfortunately, unlike gog I have principles. Hopefully gog will smarten up until Stubbs is released (heh, yeah right...)
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fronzelneekburm: Damn, Stubbs is a fun game. Still have a retail copy. Would've been an instabuy.

Unfortunately, unlike gog I have principles. Hopefully gog will smarten up until Stubbs is released (heh, yeah right...)
Not likely. Like you, I would have liked to buy that game. But I won't as long as GOG doesn't correct their course.
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fronzelneekburm: Damn, Stubbs is a fun game. Still have a retail copy. Would've been an instabuy.

Unfortunately, unlike gog I have principles. Hopefully gog will smarten up until Stubbs is released (heh, yeah right...)
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Lifthrasil: Not likely. Like you, I would have liked to buy that game. But I won't as long as GOG doesn't correct their course.
https://www.pcinvasion.com/stubbs-the-zombie-rises-from-his-grave-this-march-for-pc-via-steam/
Post edited February 19, 2021 by WeirdoGeek
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Lifthrasil: Not likely. Like you, I would have liked to buy that game. But I won't as long as GOG doesn't correct their course.
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WeirdoGeek: https://www.pcinvasion.com/stubbs-the-zombie-rises-from-his-grave-this-march-for-pc-via-steam/
Meh. I'm not gonna become a Steam regular just because gog have decided to bury their heads in their collective arses. Maybe if it's a Dee Ah Emm free build, but outside of that, I'll just wait it out. Got enough stuff here to last me several lifetimes.
Post edited February 19, 2021 by fronzelneekburm
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fronzelneekburm: Meh. I'm not gonna become a Steam regular just because gog have decided to bury their heads in their collective arses. Maybe if it's a Dee Ah Emm free build, but outside of that, I'll just wait it out. Got enough stuff here to last me several lifetimes.
That's cool. Just saying there are alternatives.

Also, I see the "many gamers" have seen my post.
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Time4Tea: It seems we are also seeing some progress with maintenance of the offline installers, based on what I have seen in this thread. Is anyone aware of any games in particular, whose offline installers are lagging far behind Galaxy?
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mrkgnao: Here is the list (there are some easily-identifiable false positives, especially towards the end):
https://airtable.com/shrldLsErlUf3eHqS/tbltXjS8fxEGG11eD

It's possible that a small number have been addressed today. If you want to be sure, wait until Saturday, at which point all those fixed will disappear from the list (and, most assuredly, new will appear).
Thanks for posting that link. So, there are quite a few outstanding. I will add the link to the first post and state that we would like to see some progress on these discrepancies being resolved.