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Thanks for all the feedback you gave us after the previous update. You’re awesome and it shows the GOG insights piques your interest. Today’s article is about a topic that we know is very important to you – our commitment to DRM-free gaming and what it exactly means.

GOG was built on trust, which is at the very core of our identity. It is evidenced by our 30-day refund policy or releasing games DRM-free, among other things. At the same time, we understand DRM-free might mean different things to different people, especially when modern games blend offline and online experiences.

When GOG first launched, the gaming market looked very different from what it is now – retail was the main place to buy games, and digital distribution was just taking baby steps. DRM, the copy protection software created to protect licenses against unauthorized disc copying, was a huge source of annoyance for gamers often restricting how they can access their content. From the beginning, part of GOG’s mission was to provide gamers with a simple way to access and play games, without the need to fiddle with files or deal with any DRM. Making sure you can play games purchased on GOG offline, make backup copies, and install them as many times as you need is even more relevant now, as things like game preservation become an important topic for the whole industry.

Today, while some of the most infamous DRMs of the past are thankfully long gone, it doesn’t mean the constraints are fully gone. They just have a different, more complex face.

Games are evolving and many titles offer features beyond single-player offline gameplay, like multiplayer, achievements, vanities, rewards. Many such games are already on GOG and will continue to join our catalog. But it also raises the question: is this a new frontier for DRM?

And this is the crux of the matter. Some think it is, some don’t. Some hate it, some don’t mind it. And to be fair, we didn’t comment on it ourselves for quite some time and feel this is the time to do so:

We believe you should have freedom of choice and the right to decide how you use, enjoy, and keep the games you bought. It manifests in three points:
1. The single-player mode has to be accessible offline.

2. Games you bought and downloaded can never be taken from you or altered against your will.

3. The GOG GALAXY client is and will remain optional for accessing single-player offline mode.


We fully commit to all those points. Aside from this, we reaffirm our continuous effort to make games compatible with future OSs and available for you for years to come.

As for multiplayer, achievements, and all that jazz – games with those features belong on GOG. Having said that, we believe that you have the right to make an informed choice about the content that you choose to enjoy and we won’t tell you how and where you can access or store your games. To make it easier to discover titles that include features like multiplayer, unlockable cosmetics, timed events, or user-generated content, we’re adding information about such functionalities on product pages. In short, you’ll always know.

We always took a lot of pride in the freedom we provide gamers. While we know DRM-free may have a different meaning to everyone, we believe you have the right to decide how you use, enjoy, and keep the titles you get on GOG. With games evolving towards adding more online features, we want you to understand our DRM-free approach and what it means to us. It is an important topic – let us know what you think.
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xerxes866: That is not how it works. I used a 2012 exe file to install MoM. it fired up a Siltherine app. That was NOT the case in 2012. So your point is not true. The devs do change how they work. When you install a game (offline installer or not) the launcher will in fact call home and install the latest version of the game. The offline installer is not an offline installer. You may, ( I haven't tested this but I would bet a huge sum of money that you can't install or play offline) or may not be able to install offline. That is fiction.
I've bought several games from Matrix Games directly, also 3 DVDs. You can install them from DVD(serial number check) and play their games without any online connection. You can also download a game and install them later, play them without any online connection.

There is a launcher, but you have to press manually a button "Check for Updates" in the launcher and if my mind does not play tricks, you have to confirm that you want to install the update. You can also log into their website and download the recent updates manually and install them also manually.

The launcher will try to call home, when you start a game. If you are looking for hardcore strategy games, Matrix games is a good choice. Small tip, wait for the Christmas sale.
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Arundir: Just out of interest, do the "DRM Free" games also start when the Steam client is not present/installed on your system?
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xerxes866: That would be no, they don't start.
Are you talking about these specific games, or steam games in general?

P.S. See my post below.
Post edited March 24, 2022 by mrkgnao
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fronzelneekburm: I'll check it for you - hold on a second. I know for a fact that Dusk is DRM-free on Steam.

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The results for now:
Ion Maiden - Launches Steam (lol?!?)
Dread Templar - Launches, then crashes and launches Steam
Project Warlock - Launches Steam
Hedon Bloodrite - DRM-free
HROT - Launches Steam
Amid Evil - DRM-free
Hellbound - DRM-free
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Arundir: Just out of interest, do the "DRM Free" games also start when the Steam client is not present/installed on your system?
I don't know about these specific games, which I don't own, but generally speaking, DRM-free games on steam launch even when the steam client is not present/installed. I have close to 100 games on steam and I have never installed the steam client (I buy games on the steam website (or other websites); I use steamcmd (a command-line tool) to download/install the games; I launch the games from their exes).
Post edited March 24, 2022 by mrkgnao
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mrkgnao: I don't know about these specific games, which I don't own, but generally speaking, DRM-free games on steam launch even when the steam client is not present/installed. I have close to 100 games on steam and I have never installed the steam client (I buy games on the steam website (or other websites); I use steamcmd (a command-line tool) to download/install the games; I launch the games from their exes).
I remember that you mentioned a command line tool and downloading the game using their website and not the Steam client.
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mrkgnao: I don't know about these specific games, which I don't own, but generally speaking, DRM-free games on steam launch even when the steam client is not present/installed. I have close to 100 games on steam and I have never installed the steam client (I buy games on the steam website (or other websites); I use steamcmd (a command-line tool) to download/install the games; I launch the games from their exes).
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Arundir: I remember that you mentioned a command line tool and downloading the game using their website and not the Steam client.
Yes. This one:
https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamCMD
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Cosmetics do affect the experience. I firmly believe that all cosmetics and skins for single player should be accessible offline. This doesn't mean that they should be accessible to the player from the start, but they could be unlockable by doing stuff like beating the game on X difficulty or higher (where each difficulty gives access to a different skin plus any from easier difficulties) almost as a "new game plus" kind of thing, have them purchasable in game with regular game currency (NO premium currencies), complete a certain sidequest/mission/level/boss/number of rounds or stuff like that. I see no reason why any form of online connectivity should be needed for any single player content (with the possible exception of having achievements linked to your profile for people who want to keep a cumulative log across their game collection) but even that should be optional.

And regarding GOG Galaxy 2.0, what about all those of us who use an OS that is not supported? If a certain game I play is supported on a given OS, I would expect all that game's single player content, whether cosmetic or otherwise, to be available for that OS.
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GOG has without question been my favorite place to buy games strictly because the games were DRM free, so I think allowing DRM of any kind is tragic—because the only outcome I can imagine is one in which publishers and/or developers are less discouraged from implementing DRM in their games. I can only foresee an increase in DRM by allowing DRM of any kind.
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Mjolnir_Mark_IV: GOG has without question been my favorite place to buy games strictly because the games were DRM free, so I think allowing DRM of any kind is tragic—because the only outcome I can imagine is one in which publishers and/or developers are less discouraged from implementing DRM in their games. I can only foresee an increase in DRM by allowing DRM of any kind.
Exactly
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xerxes866: That would be no, they don't start.
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mrkgnao: Are you talking about these specific games, or steam games in general?

P.S. See my post below.
Steam games in general.
Post edited March 25, 2022 by xerxes866
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Mjolnir_Mark_IV: GOG has without question been my favorite place to buy games strictly because the games were DRM free, so I think allowing DRM of any kind is tragic—because the only outcome I can imagine is one in which publishers and/or developers are less discouraged from implementing DRM in their games. I can only foresee an increase in DRM by allowing DRM of any kind.
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xerxes866: Exactly
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mrkgnao: Are you talking about these specific games, or steam games in general?

P.S. See my post below.
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xerxes866: Steam games in general.
So, as you can see from my post:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/bgog_2022_update_2b_our_commitment_to_drmfree_gaming_8cb8b/post502,
that is not correct.
Post edited March 25, 2022 by mrkgnao
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rjbuffchix: I would be looking for the "next biggest" DRM-free community even if it was on a format I didn't like, because I think that is the most effective at keeping DRM-free discussion generally in one place, which promotes much better participation. To me, that "next biggest" community is Zoom-Platform.
You mentioned visiting the GOG subreddit I believe, how acceptable of a discussion format is that to you? I don't think there's a subreddit dedicated to DRM-free nor Zoom-Platform yet, somebody could create that.
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Linko64:
Ok, compare the Zoom Platform about page to the FireFlower Games about page (run by one person in Sweden). The FireFlower page is much better at saying what they are about unless Zoom Platform is really about making money first and foremost. I don't find GOG's about page particularly inaccurate (at least now that the rare DRM-free exceptions are labeled, although the goodies part I'd agree is not really accurate these days and I'm not sure if many would give support a "stellar" rating). They even have a better description of how optional Galaxy is than this post (although it didn't discuss the multiplayer situation at all). For all I complain about GOG and would like them to do better they are one of the better businesses I interact with regularly. Nearly all business, even the nonprofits and cooperatives, have plenty of false advertising and deception if you look in detail.

I'm not interested in signing up with discord. I did try another quick search but unfortunately there is another company called Zoom that calls themselves a Platform and even (I just learned) sells video games. Unless Zoom Platform is engaged in litigation over the name or is getting quite a few customers that arrived there unintentionally they really should have changed it already. I did find that PC Gaming Wiki has a full list of games they have with only one released in the past couple of years, so possibly you are right that they mostly care about preservation and they are just really horrible at marketing. Obviously they are a small company now but that doesn't say anything about what investment they might have received or what their intentions are. Many businesses try to grow quickly with the goal of being acquired by a larger company. If you enthusiastically support such a business in it's early days, your "reward" is a bigger payout for the owners of the business right before the thing you like about the business is discontinued.

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Re: DLsite, they do have "soft-denchi" or "PlayDRM", both quite bad forms of DRM, on a number of games, including much of the all ages stuff that is available in English.

Re: steamcmd, it is a Steam client just not the main steam client. You still need to run it on a network connected machine to get access to games and I don't see any claim that it doesn't contain DRM.
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Linko64:
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joveian: Ok, compare the Zoom Platform about page to the FireFlower Games about page (run by one person in Sweden). The FireFlower page is much better at saying what they are about unless Zoom Platform is really about making money first and foremost. I don't find GOG's about page particularly inaccurate (at least now that the rare DRM-free exceptions are labeled, although the goodies part I'd agree is not really accurate these days and I'm not sure if many would give support a "stellar" rating). They even have a better description of how optional Galaxy is than this post (although it didn't discuss the multiplayer situation at all). For all I complain about GOG and would like them to do better they are one of the better businesses I interact with regularly. Nearly all business, even the nonprofits and cooperatives, have plenty of false advertising and deception if you look in detail.

I'm not interested in signing up with discord. I did try another quick search but unfortunately there is another company called Zoom that calls themselves a Platform and even (I just learned) sells video games. Unless Zoom Platform is engaged in litigation over the name or is getting quite a few customers that arrived there unintentionally they really should have changed it already. I did find that PC Gaming Wiki has a full list of games they have with only one released in the past couple of years, so possibly you are right that they mostly care about preservation and they are just really horrible at marketing. Obviously they are a small company now but that doesn't say anything about what investment they might have received or what their intentions are. Many businesses try to grow quickly with the goal of being acquired by a larger company. If you enthusiastically support such a business in it's early days, your "reward" is a bigger payout for the owners of the business right before the thing you like about the business is discontinued.

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Re: DLsite, they do have "soft-denchi" or "PlayDRM", both quite bad forms of DRM, on a number of games, including much of the all ages stuff that is available in English.

Re: steamcmd, it is a Steam client just not the main steam client. You still need to run it on a network connected machine to get access to games and I don't see any claim that it doesn't contain DRM.
Thank You
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xerxes866:
To clarify in case it sounded like I was agreeing with your point about transfering games, I have heard from a number of people, not just mrkgnao, that a number of games sold on Steam lack any kind of DRM and work completely fine when copied to another computer without any kind of Steam client. My point is just that I don't see a fundamental difference between the graphical Steam client and steamcmd. If there is some DRM-related difference now they could decide to remove it at any point. Hopefully neither of them actually do anything sinister when you use them to download games but if one does the other could just as easily.
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Linko64:
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joveian:
Hey Joveian, you seem to be confused or just ignored what I said. As you are clearly a fan of detail, I would invite you to read my last post and understand what I said. If you wish to randomly talk about things you have assumed, that's fine, but don't do it under the veil of 'interest'. Let's be honest with each other. In the time it took you to write that you could have quite easily just asked me via DMs.

P.S your point on 'one' release is quite simply incorrect, cheers
Post edited March 25, 2022 by Linko64
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Linko64:
Sorry, I'm not going to play "I can answer that but not in public". It is quite curious what you think you can post here, why would GOG be particularly upset about a link to financial information vs anything else you have written here? Still, if you are worried maybe post it to your Twitter?

The list I liked to had one game that was initially released in the past couple of years. I don't mean there was one released on Zoom Platform in the last couple of years, just based on initial release. The list had 409 and Zoom Platform claims 425, so possibly there are a few missing, although I noticed some "temporarily unavailable" so that might also explain the different numbers (or the list could be incorrect).