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morolf
I own Komodo dragons as pets
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From Germany
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Breja
You're in my spot
Registered: Apr 2012
From Poland
Posted April 28, 2018
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The future Doctors already know the Daleks survive anyway, he met a shit ton of them after the war. Literally every season, because legal issues say he has to :D
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Vainamoinen
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Registered: May 2010
From Germany
Posted April 28, 2018
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In Star Wars, a little genocide doesn't go a long way, does it? Leah's entire planet is blown to smithereens, and hours later she's consoling someone she doesn't even know for losing someone that guy didn't even know that well. Two movies later, we're hardly even thinking of Alderaan. Come on, Vader's cool. Besides, Vader was revealed to be Luke's father, so he can't be the bad guy any more, right? The Emperor certainly wasn't anyone's dad. Also, it could even be argued, Vader is in a way possessed just as well. There's certainly a "veil lifted" moment for him I guess.
...yeah. I love Star Wars IV-VI, but I have no illusion that it's well written. The redemption is hogwash. Take the prequels in and at the end of RotJ Luke is going kissy-kissy with the guy who mowed down a few dozen kids because he thought his girl was having an affair.
Same goes for basically everything Moffat has written in his lifetime: It may be damn fucking cool, but it's almost never thought through. :|
I get your point, of course, and really don't want you to bring up even more complicated character arcs, but I'll still readily say that genocide makes a character pretty fucking irredeemable. And if the way out of that is to crank up the megalomania so infinitely much that the genocide actually becomes the single person killed option in the "trolley problem", I'm going to say fuck the writer.
...yeah. I love Star Wars IV-VI, but I have no illusion that it's well written. The redemption is hogwash. Take the prequels in and at the end of RotJ Luke is going kissy-kissy with the guy who mowed down a few dozen kids because he thought his girl was having an affair.
Same goes for basically everything Moffat has written in his lifetime: It may be damn fucking cool, but it's almost never thought through. :|
I get your point, of course, and really don't want you to bring up even more complicated character arcs, but I'll still readily say that genocide makes a character pretty fucking irredeemable. And if the way out of that is to crank up the megalomania so infinitely much that the genocide actually becomes the single person killed option in the "trolley problem", I'm going to say fuck the writer.
Post edited April 28, 2018 by Vainamoinen
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morolf
I own Komodo dragons as pets
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From Germany
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Posted April 28, 2018
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Breja
You're in my spot
Registered: Apr 2012
From Poland
Posted April 28, 2018
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Anyway, a "redeeming quality" doesn't mean that you or me have to belive a character to be entirely redeemed. That's why the idea of Vader going good and joining the rebels was so balls out insane. When I say that there can be a genocidal character with some redeeming qualities I don't mean that neccesarily makes them likeable or exonerated. That redeeming quality may be just one aspect of a character, not a "get out of hell free" card. To outright deny the possibility of a quality like that is to deny the very existance of some very interesting stories.
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fr33kSh0w2012
CyberFAGGOT 20 DOGSHITS!
Registered: Jul 2009
From Australia
Posted April 28, 2018
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What I'm pissed about is not enough Mixed race people in games
My grandfather was black!
My grandmother was white!
So that makes me what, Checkerboard?
but no seriously there is not enough mixed race variety
Did anyone know HITLER WAS ACTUALLY A LEFTIST and A EUGENIC MANIAC He wanted a GERMAN WORLD where everyone was WHITE with blonde hair and blue eyes, The Zionist Jews actually funded him and the Holocaust wasn't the Holocaust it was Called the SHOAH by all non Zionic jews.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah_(disambiguation]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah_(disambiguation[/url])
https://coffeeshoprabbi.com/2016/05/04/why-call-it-the-shoah/
Holocaust actually means a sheep or burnt offering usually it was a lamb!
So why use “Shoah” instead?
“Holocaust” entered the English language as a term for a sacrifice, specifically for the sacrifices asked of the Jews by God. For anyone who grew up using a Douai-Rheims Bible, that still is a primary meaning of the word. It therefore implies a particular understanding of the events in Europe: that the murder of the Jews was a sacrifice acceptable to God. For many of us, this is a blasphemous implication.
That's why I rip people off that call the shoah the holocaust and why I spell it ebonicly as HAWLOCAWST! red anonymous bot taught me that on twitter!
I mean who gives a shit what colour you are, what Gives a shit is your substance you know the things you know!
Now can we get past this sh!t!
My grandfather was black!
My grandmother was white!
So that makes me what, Checkerboard?
but no seriously there is not enough mixed race variety
Did anyone know HITLER WAS ACTUALLY A LEFTIST and A EUGENIC MANIAC He wanted a GERMAN WORLD where everyone was WHITE with blonde hair and blue eyes, The Zionist Jews actually funded him and the Holocaust wasn't the Holocaust it was Called the SHOAH by all non Zionic jews.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah_(disambiguation]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah_(disambiguation[/url])
https://coffeeshoprabbi.com/2016/05/04/why-call-it-the-shoah/
Holocaust actually means a sheep or burnt offering usually it was a lamb!
So why use “Shoah” instead?
“Holocaust” entered the English language as a term for a sacrifice, specifically for the sacrifices asked of the Jews by God. For anyone who grew up using a Douai-Rheims Bible, that still is a primary meaning of the word. It therefore implies a particular understanding of the events in Europe: that the murder of the Jews was a sacrifice acceptable to God. For many of us, this is a blasphemous implication.
That's why I rip people off that call the shoah the holocaust and why I spell it ebonicly as HAWLOCAWST! red anonymous bot taught me that on twitter!
I mean who gives a shit what colour you are, what Gives a shit is your substance you know the things you know!
Now can we get past this sh!t!
Post edited April 28, 2018 by fr33kSh0w2012
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Jinh_Molton
New User
Registered: Oct 2012
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Posted April 28, 2018
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My grandfather was black!
My grandmother was white!
So that makes me what, Checkerboard?
but no seriously there is not enough mixed race variety
Did anyone know HITLER WAS ACTUALLY A LEFTIST and A EUGENIC MANIAC He wanted a GERMAN WORLD where everyone was WHITE with blonde hair and blue eyes, The Zionist Jews actually funded him and the Holocaust wasn't the Holocaust it was Called the SHOAH by all non Zionic jews.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah_(disambiguation]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah_(disambiguation[/url])
https://coffeeshoprabbi.com/2016/05/04/why-call-it-the-shoah/
Holocaust actually means a sheep or burnt offering usually it was a lamb!
So why use “Shoah” instead?
“Holocaust” entered the English language as a term for a sacrifice, specifically for the sacrifices asked of the Jews by God. For anyone who grew up using a Douai-Rheims Bible, that still is a primary meaning of the word. It therefore implies a particular understanding of the events in Europe: that the murder of the Jews was a sacrifice acceptable to God. For many of us, this is a blasphemous implication.
That's why I rip people off that call the shoah the holocaust and why I spell it ebonicly as HAWLOCAWST! red anonymous bot taught me that on twitter!
I mean who gives a shit what colour you are, what Gives a shit is your substance you know the things you know!
Now can we get past this sh!t!
Post edited April 28, 2018 by Arundir
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LootHunter
Political non-Euclidean
Registered: Dec 2013
From Russian Federation
Posted April 28, 2018
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I don't know how was (or wasn't) white Jesus, but what I DO know is that Vamon is as white as Kian Alvane. Because both are Azadi. And Ragnar Tornquist himself said that Kian Alvane is white while repelling the accusation "Dreamfall doesn't have positive white characters" explaining that while Azadi are based on persian culture, he considers them white.
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P.S. As for Brian Westhouse motivation, ending suggested that it was he, who possessed Undreaming, not the other way around. So no, his idea to wipe out magical people maybe was influenced by Undreaming, but originated in himself.
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Bad Hair Day
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Cambrey
Purple Dot Cultist
Registered: Oct 2008
From France
Posted April 28, 2018
You guys need a 30 minute break. Kung Fury will put everything to perspective.
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toxicTom
Big Daddy
Registered: Feb 2009
From Germany
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Jinh_Molton
New User
Registered: Oct 2012
From Other
Posted April 28, 2018
Best Kickstarter Movie ever :). And I like the 80s Synthpop.
Post edited April 28, 2018 by Arundir