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Posted April 27, 2018
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Breja: untill in that special with the help of his future selves he finds a way to redeem himself by saving the Time Lords rather then destroying them.
If he didn't also try to save the Daleks, it's still pretty racist though.
Posted April 28, 2018
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Breja: untill in that special with the help of his future selves he finds a way to redeem himself by saving the Time Lords rather then destroying them.
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morolf: If he didn't also try to save the Daleks, it's still pretty racist though.
The future Doctors already know the Daleks survive anyway, he met a shit ton of them after the war. Literally every season, because legal issues say he has to :D
Posted April 28, 2018
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Breja: * snipped for brevity *
In Star Wars, a little genocide doesn't go a long way, does it? Leah's entire planet is blown to smithereens, and hours later she's consoling someone she doesn't even know for losing someone that guy didn't even know that well. Two movies later, we're hardly even thinking of Alderaan. Come on, Vader's cool. Besides, Vader was revealed to be Luke's father, so he can't be the bad guy any more, right? The Emperor certainly wasn't anyone's dad. Also, it could even be argued, Vader is in a way possessed just as well. There's certainly a "veil lifted" moment for him I guess.

...yeah. I love Star Wars IV-VI, but I have no illusion that it's well written. The redemption is hogwash. Take the prequels in and at the end of RotJ Luke is going kissy-kissy with the guy who mowed down a few dozen kids because he thought his girl was having an affair.

Same goes for basically everything Moffat has written in his lifetime: It may be damn fucking cool, but it's almost never thought through. :|

I get your point, of course, and really don't want you to bring up even more complicated character arcs, but I'll still readily say that genocide makes a character pretty fucking irredeemable. And if the way out of that is to crank up the megalomania so infinitely much that the genocide actually becomes the single person killed option in the "trolley problem", I'm going to say fuck the writer.
Post edited April 28, 2018 by Vainamoinen
Posted April 28, 2018
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Breja:
Ok, I didn't know that. Good to hear, Daleks are kind of cute with their "Exterminate!" and their death rays, would be sad to see them gone.
Posted April 28, 2018
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Breja: * snipped for brevity *
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Vainamoinen: In Star Wars, a little genocide doesn't go a long way, does it? Leah's entire planet is blown to smithereens, and hours later she's consoling someone she doesn't even know for losing someone that guy didn't even know that well.
That's because Alderaan was asking for it!
Posted April 28, 2018
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Breja: * snipped for brevity *
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Vainamoinen: In Star Wars, a little genocide doesn't go a long way, does it? Leah's entire planet is blown to smithereens, and hours later she's consoling someone she doesn't even know for losing someone that guy didn't even know that well. Two movies later, we're hardly even thinking of Alderaan. Come on, Vader's cool. Besides, Vader was revealed to be Luke's father, so he can't be the bad guy any more, right? The Emperor certainly wasn't anyone's dad. Also, it could even be argued, Vader is in a way possessed just as well. There's certainly a "veil lifted" moment for him I guess.

...yeah. I love Star Wars IV-VI, but I have no illusion that it's well written. The redemption is hogwash. Take the prequels in and at the end of RotJ Luke is going kissy-kissy with the guy who mowed down a few dozen kids because he thought his girl was having an affair.

Same goes for basically everything Moffat has written in his lifetime: It may be damn fucking cool, but it's almost never thought through. :|

I get your point, of course, and really don't want you to bring up even more complicated character arcs, but I'll still readily say that genocide makes a character pretty fucking irredeemable. And if the way out of that is to crank up the megalomania so infinitely much that the genocide actually becomes the single person killed option in the "trolley problem", I'm going to say fuck the writer.
I wonder how one person can commit a genocide? It needs a considerable amount of people with the same grade of being nuts, an established system of punishment pressure, people who fear the targeted group and fear for their existence because of a functioning propaganda machine to get people on the same page, perhaps even pull the right levers economically for pressure and for all that you also need a lot of people to accomplish this. You can also pull the grievance and suffering angle instead of the fear, which would result in hate - worked also looking back. If you want to get creative, you can mix those for a challenge. Just because one person says do it, no one will roll...

What is being build up at the moment in the western culture is a good precursor for such shit and this game is part of it.
Post edited April 28, 2018 by Arundir
Posted April 28, 2018
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Vainamoinen: ...yeah. I love Star Wars IV-VI, but I have no illusion that it's well written. The redemption is hogwash.
I'd argue that while it's obvious Episodes V and VI were not planned for when the first movie was made, it's still overall well written (and I definately do not take the prequels into account, screw that). Likewise I think that while Moffat did indeed write a lot of utter shit in his time, Day of the Doctor is actually really good, especially considering how Moffat had to write around Eccleston refusing to return.

Anyway, a "redeeming quality" doesn't mean that you or me have to belive a character to be entirely redeemed. That's why the idea of Vader going good and joining the rebels was so balls out insane. When I say that there can be a genocidal character with some redeeming qualities I don't mean that neccesarily makes them likeable or exonerated. That redeeming quality may be just one aspect of a character, not a "get out of hell free" card. To outright deny the possibility of a quality like that is to deny the very existance of some very interesting stories.
Posted April 28, 2018
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What I'm pissed about is not enough Mixed race people in games

My grandfather was black!

My grandmother was white!

So that makes me what, Checkerboard?

but no seriously there is not enough mixed race variety

Did anyone know HITLER WAS ACTUALLY A LEFTIST and A EUGENIC MANIAC He wanted a GERMAN WORLD where everyone was WHITE with blonde hair and blue eyes, The Zionist Jews actually funded him and the Holocaust wasn't the Holocaust it was Called the SHOAH by all non Zionic jews.

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah_(disambiguation]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah_(disambiguation[/url])

https://coffeeshoprabbi.com/2016/05/04/why-call-it-the-shoah/

Holocaust actually means a sheep or burnt offering usually it was a lamb!

So why use “Shoah” instead?

“Holocaust” entered the English language as a term for a sacrifice, specifically for the sacrifices asked of the Jews by God. For anyone who grew up using a Douai-Rheims Bible, that still is a primary meaning of the word. It therefore implies a particular understanding of the events in Europe: that the murder of the Jews was a sacrifice acceptable to God. For many of us, this is a blasphemous implication.

That's why I rip people off that call the shoah the holocaust and why I spell it ebonicly as HAWLOCAWST! red anonymous bot taught me that on twitter!

I mean who gives a shit what colour you are, what Gives a shit is your substance you know the things you know!

Now can we get past this sh!t!
Post edited April 28, 2018 by fr33kSh0w2012
Posted April 28, 2018
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fr33kSh0w2012: What I'm pissed about is not enough Mixed race people in games

My grandfather was black!

My grandmother was white!

So that makes me what, Checkerboard?

but no seriously there is not enough mixed race variety

Did anyone know HITLER WAS ACTUALLY A LEFTIST and A EUGENIC MANIAC He wanted a GERMAN WORLD where everyone was WHITE with blonde hair and blue eyes, The Zionist Jews actually funded him and the Holocaust wasn't the Holocaust it was Called the SHOAH by all non Zionic jews.

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah_(disambiguation]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah_(disambiguation[/url])

https://coffeeshoprabbi.com/2016/05/04/why-call-it-the-shoah/

Holocaust actually means a sheep or burnt offering usually it was a lamb!

So why use “Shoah” instead?

“Holocaust” entered the English language as a term for a sacrifice, specifically for the sacrifices asked of the Jews by God. For anyone who grew up using a Douai-Rheims Bible, that still is a primary meaning of the word. It therefore implies a particular understanding of the events in Europe: that the murder of the Jews was a sacrifice acceptable to God. For many of us, this is a blasphemous implication.

That's why I rip people off that call the shoah the holocaust and why I spell it ebonicly as HAWLOCAWST! red anonymous bot taught me that on twitter!

I mean who gives a shit what colour you are, what Gives a shit is your substance you know the things you know!

Now can we get past this sh!t!
Why does it always end with H-word? There were a lot of genocides in the history of humankind, even after WW2.
Post edited April 28, 2018 by Arundir
Posted April 28, 2018
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Vainamoinen: You have no idea what a redeeming quality is. Hint, it has to do with redemption and genocidal psychopaths don't get any.
So, apparently you consider Sister Alessandra (fat doctor, responsible for artificial plague) to be genocidal psychopath too? Without any possibility of redemption, or a reason behind her actions?
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Vainamoinen: Vamon is about as white as Jesus Christ.
I don't know how was (or wasn't) white Jesus, but what I DO know is that Vamon is as white as Kian Alvane. Because both are Azadi. And Ragnar Tornquist himself said that Kian Alvane is white while repelling the accusation "Dreamfall doesn't have positive white characters" explaining that while Azadi are based on persian culture, he considers them white.
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Vainamoinen: You've shown a kindergarten level of knowledge concerning the game and its story. You're trying to push a stupid agenda with a case file full of laughable and easily disproven lies. Like that youtube prick. As to whether his exemplary fascist propaganda is still online in the RTG forum, I have no idea
If you call Sargon's videos "facist propaganda" and "harrassment", than it's you, who shows "kindergarden level of knowledge". In fact, his video which I posted, was telling about modern feminism based on Marxism ideology. And since Tornquist has shown his simpathies to Marxists (basically Nela's sacrifice is what lead to WATI-corp downfall in Stark), I actually thought that you people would be pleased. But apparently noone even watched the video itself and assumed "alt-right propaganda" only by seeing his name on the youtube title.

P.S. As for Brian Westhouse motivation, ending suggested that it was he, who possessed Undreaming, not the other way around. So no, his idea to wipe out magical people maybe was influenced by Undreaming, but originated in himself.
Post edited April 28, 2018 by LootHunter
Posted April 28, 2018
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fr33kSh0w2012:
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Arundir: Why does it always end with H-word? There were a lot of genocides in the history of humankind, even after WW2.
I'm actually more concerned about how he spelled it. XD

I mean, that's bordering on Fairfox!
Posted April 28, 2018
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Arundir: Why does it always end with H-word? There were a lot of genocides in the history of humankind, even after WW2.
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tinyE: I'm actually more concerned about how he spelled it. XD

I mean, that's bordering on Fairfox!
I actually gave up on reading Fairfox's posts...
Posted April 28, 2018
You guys need a 30 minute break. Kung Fury will put everything to perspective.
Posted April 28, 2018
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Arundir: I actually gave up on reading Fairfox's posts...
See it as a challenge... and it definitely gives you XP...
Posted April 28, 2018
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Cambrey: You guys need a 30 minute break. Kung Fury will put everything to perspective.
Best Kickstarter Movie ever :). And I like the 80s Synthpop.
Post edited April 28, 2018 by Arundir
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