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Swedrami: Tells you everything you need to know in order to extrapolate the course and direction WotC intends to take all their properties on and into. And if it can't be cleansed of the allegedly "insensitive" and "problematic" aspects because they're essential to the integrity of the setting in question it gets locked away, buried under ignorance and is never spoken of again.
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StingingVelvet: Sure, but I guess I just don't get what's insensitive or problematic about biracial children. If anything a progressive should want them to be celebrated, right? It's just weird to me.
That's because you're applying logic, instead of just getting with the program and getting offended when Mr. Pitchfork Mob tells you to.
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GHOSTMD: Yes, yes it is definitly the only way to push back against social media madness and propaganda
because money is the only way companies understand. Take a good look at Didney now...
or comics where those industries are now. This is the only way, sadly....
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StingingVelvet: The vast, vast majority don't care though. Also companies care more about courting the young than anyone else, and the young are very pro LGBT or whatever else. Disney is richer than god and even if their stock is down a bit now it's because of mediocre movie output and things like ESPN ratings, it has very little if anything to do with your culture war.

You're getting worked up, judging others and denying yourself great games for a bit part in a losing battle against the natural cultural change every generation sees. It's just senseless to me. I know it's all the rage right now though, and you can't be dissuaded. See you on the other side I guess.
The vast vast majority is silent, although you are right that most do not care (i think as well)
Right now it seems no issue at all, the issues will come later on, when it gets "ignored" for too long.
Just as video game players "ignored" DRM and always online issues for far too long, now we have
a marktet that is flooded with that shit and platforms like GoG struggling because players are
way to comfortable to give away control over their property.

It is the same with the language change, with the only difference in the end ppl will end up more
intolerant, it already has begun. Because of this propaganda being pushed into every aspect of
our lives. The silent majority doesn t want that.

Make no mistake though even if didney still have godlike amounts of money, they do feel the pain
having one bomb after another over the last decade and didney already deducted right that lazy reboots
pushing "the message" lets use that phrase, are not suistainable. Make no mistkake Stock != disney making
the same amounts of profit as a decade ago.

I get worked up, because i can see our freedom being taken away, for reasons that are superficial.
I get worked up over this because words form throughts and vice versa, if your words are pressed
into a corset, then indoubtly ppl will end up more intolerant and radical. I should not care about that?
I should not get worked up over the fact that social media insanity tries to goverment my speaking
and thinking by coersing / blackmailing me into a certain speech pattern so no ones feelings get hurt?
You can stop right there, thats not gonna happen. Not supporting companies with 60€ because they
push this propaganda is the start even if it is in vain.

Yes i deny myself maybe one of the greatest games we have seen since Witcher 3, but if the price is too
high its not worth supporting a company that pushes language changes and propaganda. Also i do not
have to tell myself i supported this crap in the future.

On Top of that this change is not "natural" thats why it is so agitating, its a small subculture trying to dicatate
any other human how to speak and how to behave, that will not work period. It will only work as long
as the pressure (by threats) is there and only in public. Its ppl doing mad shit on the internet for attention
destroying their own future and now the future / current lives of others as well.
It is companies getting wrong numbers thinking wow there is massive money to be made by this.
All the while said companies fail to understand that talking about something does not convert 1 to 1
into sales. Specially if the talk is bad all over. (Lucky this is not the case for Baldurs Gate3, yet)

Yes you are right i build my judgement here on what i have seen, read and heard. Because of what
happend to streamers that wanted to show Howarts Legacy, because of Linko90 who was bullied out
of the industry (he was our CM here on GoG) i have not forgotten what the ragemmobs did.

Larian right now is pandering to exact those ragemobs, just you wait when Larian starts to say no.
Just as JKR started to say "NO" to the mad crowd, we know what will happen then.
Just as Gina Carano said no, to the social media mad crowd. Anyway, you are probably right though
getting too worked up over this is not good ^^

Maybe i just should get a bag of propcorn and enjoy the show *kek*
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StingingVelvet: I was surprised there were zero clickbait articles (that I saw) raging or "deeply concerned" about Cyberpunk's character creation stuff like boob size and bare labia. I mean I was all for it, especially considering the setting of that game, but it seems like a think certain people on both sides of the political aisle would be eager to turn into rage clicks.
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Cadaver747: Considering that you can only observe your character in the Inventory menu, a few mirrors after pressing the Use action (upper part only), a few elevators only with RTX enabled (only head and hands in version 1.4 and below, haven't played the later versions) - not that surprising to me. I saw a few complaints on Steam and Reddit about bust size if it counts.
You can always just look down too. The game has full body awareness, which I hope will spread to more first person games. Also the breast size did not get represented with clothing, so it was kinda of a moot feature.

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Cadaver747: But for the rest of the time, players were forced to dress their characters like beggars.
There were a few decent looking "legendary" outfits with mod slots. While the number of mod slots was random, they would get re-rolled every time you loaded a save, assuming you have not picked up the outfit. So I'd approach the outfit, save, and reload 5-10 times until I got 4 slots, then finally picked it up. All the stats came from the mods and I did not have to dress like a clown, or have a bra that somehow had more armour than an arasaka kevlar vest.

I believe in the expansion they scrapped stats from clothing altogether, so we could wear whatever we wanted, without having to use glitches to deal with their poor design choices. Hopefully they capped or removed the infinitely-doubling upgrade requirements too. I had to dupe materials for that, because they would double into millions... Way to introduce crafting and then heavily discourage it lol.

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GHOSTMD: Yes you are right i build my judgement here on what i have seen, read and heard. Because of what
happend to streamers that wanted to show Howarts Legacy, because of Linko90 who was bullied out
of the industry (he was our CM here on GoG) i have not forgotten what the ragemmobs did.
I believe Linko found a place "elsewhere" thankfully. And yeah, sending "mean" threats to streamers certainly doesn't further any cause either. Sometimes people promoting tolerance can be very intolerant themselves.

I believe that the only way to resolve any conflict is to have a calm and open conservation. The moment insults, censorship, cancellations and emotions appear, both sides will put up mental barriers and then no argument will go through any more.
Post edited July 24, 2023 by SargonAelther

I believe Linko found a place "elsewhere" thankfully. And yeah, sending "mean" threats to streamers certainly doesn't further any cause either. Sometimes people promoting tolerance can be very intolerant themselves.

I believe that the only way to resolve any conflict is to have a calm and open conservation. The moment insults, censorship, cancellations and emotions appear, both sides will put up mental barriers and then no argument will go through any more.
Indeed, that is the only way, sadly from where i stand it seems to be impossible these days.
Why do i say that? Because i was already punished more than once, for presenting a point of view
that does not go conform with what is preached on social media (the most)

Specially regarding the said language change that is so violently promoted. So obviously as the years i see
this happending go by, i am affected by it as well and not in a good way. Even more so when all what i
exerienced with that matter at hand, was censorship, punishment, insults, unfairness and for what?
Merely stating that i don t go along with language changes and affirming the behavior of the ppl pushing this.

Don t want to know how many reviews GoG staff deleted lately from Baldurs Gate 3
just because the reviews stated the truth and nothing more, why? Because they violate the guidelines.
*"riiiiighhht*" Sad times indeed, that i have to witness this.
Post edited July 24, 2023 by GHOSTMD
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Swedrami: Tells you everything you need to know in order to extrapolate the course and direction WotC intends to take all their properties on and into. And if it can't be cleansed of the allegedly "insensitive" and "problematic" aspects because they're essential to the integrity of the setting in question it gets locked away, buried under ignorance and is never spoken of again.
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StingingVelvet: Sure, but I guess I just don't get what's insensitive or problematic about biracial children. If anything a progressive should want them to be celebrated, right? It's just weird to me.
Can only speculate on the mental gymnastics behind this but apparently, for WotC the very concept of a Half-Blood (no matter if there are made-up fantasy races involved or not, looks like it's all the same to them) is potentially so offensive that they rather get rid of it than accept it as a normal occurrence of and in both real and virtual life.
You know, just as anyone sane and with common sense would do.
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Swedrami: Can only speculate on the mental gymnastics behind this but apparently, for WotC the very concept of a Half-Blood (no matter if there are made-up fantasy races involved or not, looks like it's all the same to them) is potentially so offensive that they rather get rid of it than accept it as a normal occurrence of and in both real and virtual life.
You know, just as anyone sane and with common sense would do.
Good to know you're bigoted against inter-racial couples.
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Swedrami: Can only speculate on the mental gymnastics behind this but apparently, for WotC the very concept of a Half-Blood (no matter if there are made-up fantasy races involved or not, looks like it's all the same to them) is potentially so offensive that they rather get rid of it than accept it as a normal occurrence of and in both real and virtual life.
You know, just as anyone sane and with common sense would do.
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LegoDnD: Good to know you're bigoted against inter-racial couples.
I... don't think you understand what's being said. Like, at all.
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Swedrami: Can only speculate on the mental gymnastics behind this but apparently, for WotC the very concept of a Half-Blood (no matter if there are made-up fantasy races involved or not, looks like it's all the same to them) is potentially so offensive that they rather get rid of it than accept it as a normal occurrence of and in both real and virtual life.
You know, just as anyone sane and with common sense would do.
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LegoDnD: Good to know you're bigoted against inter-racial couples.
He was saying or meant to say the exact opposite?
And that it's actually Wizards of the Coast who seem to have gone so far off the deep end that even Half-Elves, Half-Orcs and other mixed-race progeny in the Forgotten Realms all of a sudden are "problematic" (or "inherently racist", as they put it themselves) and therefore need to be removed altogether.
Post edited July 24, 2023 by CMiq
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Breja: I... don't think you understand what's being said. Like, at all.
Half-bloods are the children of inter-racial couples, which Swedrami seems to think should not exist.
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Breja: I... don't think you understand what's being said. Like, at all.
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LegoDnD: Half-bloods are the children of inter-racial couples, which Swedrami seems to think should not exist.
His entire point, consitantly and very clearly, is that they SHOULD and that that Wizards of the Coast are pants on head crazy for deciding to remove them and for seeing anything "problematic" about them.
Post edited July 24, 2023 by Breja
If your excuse-making for him is legit, he should explain that he completely botched his wording.
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LegoDnD: If your excuse-making for him is legit, he should explain that he completely botched his wording.
He didn't. He is very, very clear. I haven't the foggiest idea how you managed to misunderstand him the way you did.
Post edited July 24, 2023 by Breja
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LegoDnD: If your excuse-making for him is legit, he should explain that he completely botched his wording.
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Breja: He didn't. He is very, very clear. I haven't the foggiest idea how you managed to misunderstand him the way you did.
Indeed.

At first I was like... huh? Where is that coming from? Am I missing something?

Honestly seems like a momentary lapse in reading comprehension. Unfortunate that instead of realizing that, Lego continues to blame the "botched" wording of a completely clear post.

Well, only so much you can do.
I think that Swedrami simply rolled a critical 1 on their speech check. The intent is likely good.

Anyhow, I think that removing half-races is fine from a mechanical standpoint. It is easy enough to mix and match separate races for a homebrew character. If there any significant differences within a given members of a playable species, it should come from a cultural background.

I am of the mindset that each aspect of a game's ruleset should be fairly simple and relatively small in number. The complexity and variety should arise when separate "blocks" of rules come together.

To sum up: I get the feeling WOTC/Hasbro are making the right decision for the wrong reasons.
Post edited July 24, 2023 by Sabin_Stargem
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Sabin_Stargem: Anyhow, I think that removing half-races is fine from a mechanical standpoint. It is easy enough to mix and match separate races for a homebrew character. If there any significant differences within a given members of a playable species, it should come from a cultural background.
Most RPG systems don't even have half options, so from a mechanics perspective I don't think it really matters. I'm just kinda baffled about why they're doing it. Doesn't make sense at all from a progressive standpoint to me, but then people are only assuming that's related anyway apparently. I dunno.