Posted July 10, 2023

Time4Tea
Free speech and honey!
Registered: Jan 2015
From United States

jepsen1977
Nemo
Registered: Mar 2009
From Denmark
Posted July 10, 2023

We've arrived at a stage where gay bear sex, a literal furry fantasy bordering on bestiality is brave and progressive but sexy female characters are mysoginistic, disgusting satisfaction of the male gaze. Have your furry fantasy, but play fair and give me sexy female characters to romance too. You too can choose not to engage with it you know... Double standards is what people are getting sick of. Anyone not seeing the uglification of female characters in the western media in the last... well... decade or so, is in denial.
Also, marketing your game by an obvious drama bait doesn't really leave a good taste in most peoples' mouths.

Yeshu
The Pillar Man
Registered: Jan 2011
From Poland

pds41
New User
Registered: May 2009
From United Kingdom
Posted July 10, 2023
I think my closing comments on this thread are:
At least with this game, we were attempting to debate whether an actual feature and wider content in a game had merit and the impact of said feature on our buying decisions.
I don't always agree with him, but Time4Tea has put forward some very good, well reasoned points here (especially on the trend to hugely change existing and established IPs rather than being creative and making new ones), as has Kai2.
I haven't read everyone's comments in detail here, but I can't see anyone saying that people who want to buy the game shouldn't. A lot of people are saying that they won't buy the game (myself included - I'm not going to drop £50 just to confirm I was right, which would be a very self-defeating suggestion) and are saying why they don't want to buy it. There's nothing wrong with that. Most of the responses here have been understanding of that position. Some have not.
I can think of another game recently where different people were calling for boycotts and bans (and in extreme cases not linked to any GoG users - threatening streamers who played the game) because they didn't (or didn't want to) understand the nuance and complexities behind comments made by the IP creator on complicated subjects.
[Edit - as it might be misinterpreted as criticising what jespen said, which isn't my intention at all, I've removed the quote from him and my first sentence]
At least with this game, we were attempting to debate whether an actual feature and wider content in a game had merit and the impact of said feature on our buying decisions.
I don't always agree with him, but Time4Tea has put forward some very good, well reasoned points here (especially on the trend to hugely change existing and established IPs rather than being creative and making new ones), as has Kai2.
I haven't read everyone's comments in detail here, but I can't see anyone saying that people who want to buy the game shouldn't. A lot of people are saying that they won't buy the game (myself included - I'm not going to drop £50 just to confirm I was right, which would be a very self-defeating suggestion) and are saying why they don't want to buy it. There's nothing wrong with that. Most of the responses here have been understanding of that position. Some have not.
I can think of another game recently where different people were calling for boycotts and bans (and in extreme cases not linked to any GoG users - threatening streamers who played the game) because they didn't (or didn't want to) understand the nuance and complexities behind comments made by the IP creator on complicated subjects.
[Edit - as it might be misinterpreted as criticising what jespen said, which isn't my intention at all, I've removed the quote from him and my first sentence]
Post edited July 10, 2023 by pds41

rjbuffchix
Online/Galaxy required = DRM.
Registered: Jun 2017
From United States
Posted July 10, 2023

regarding the physical truth we re ALL bound too. Let alone being overly soft, when using the right language is critical.

Post edited July 10, 2023 by rjbuffchix

Sabin_Stargem
Eldritch Being
Registered: Jun 2009
From Other
Posted July 10, 2023
My preferences are for anime ladies and monstergirls, such as lamia. Whole-on animals are not my personal interest. That said, it is important to protect sexuality of others. Partially out of egalitarianism, but also because puritans would persecute me for daring to acknowledge my desires. Be a person straight, gay, furry, or disinterested, all people should be allowed to enjoy their sexuality in their own way.
Sexuality is an important aspect of being human, one of the things that makes life worth living. To remove sex from a person, isn't much different from being barred from reading Lord of the Rings, or Super Mario World being banned. It would be unfair, cruel, and stupid.
It is important for people to defend sexual liberty. In my eyes, puritans are evil at heart, because they corrode humanity's ability to enjoy life to the fullest for no real reason.
Sexuality is an important aspect of being human, one of the things that makes life worth living. To remove sex from a person, isn't much different from being barred from reading Lord of the Rings, or Super Mario World being banned. It would be unfair, cruel, and stupid.
It is important for people to defend sexual liberty. In my eyes, puritans are evil at heart, because they corrode humanity's ability to enjoy life to the fullest for no real reason.

Catac1ysm
ʕ ᵔᴥᵔ ʔ
Registered: Dec 2018
From Argentina
Posted July 10, 2023

Normal - is the development of the game universe of D&D, immersing the user in the world of fantasy, and not sexual debauchery.

Sexuality is an important aspect of being human, one of the things that makes life worth living. To remove sex from a person, isn't much different from being barred from reading Lord of the Rings, or Super Mario World being banned. It would be unfair, cruel, and stupid.
It is important for people to defend sexual liberty. In my eyes, puritans are evil at heart, because they corrode humanity's ability to enjoy life to the fullest for no real reason.
Perverts have always existed. But to pass off their behavior as the norm and force normal people to accept their perversions is a crime.
Post edited July 10, 2023 by Catac1ysm

eric5h5
New User
Registered: Jul 2011
From Other
Posted July 10, 2023


No. That hurts children, and is entirely non-consensual. For you to make this blatantly false equivalency is way out of line. The situation in the game is two adults agreeing to have sex, and one of them essentially does the magical equivalent of putting on a bear costume. It's truly vile for you to equate that with molesting children. And may I remind you that you're on record as being fine with murdering innocent people in GTA.
Post edited July 10, 2023 by eric5h5

Sabin_Stargem
Eldritch Being
Registered: Jun 2009
From Other
Posted July 10, 2023

That is bloody stupid. I assume you and the bulk of humanity are responsible enough to understand choices in games.
The core of the issue is that you simply want to brainwash or enslave other humans. What I and others want is the ability to fulfill our sexual interests. I fully support you not pursuing a romance with a bear druid, because that is your personal choice. That is fair for everyone, far more ethical than your totalitarian desire to essentially neuter us.

Catac1ysm
ʕ ᵔᴥᵔ ʔ
Registered: Dec 2018
From Argentina
Posted July 10, 2023
Werewolf is another person. Werewolfs want to eat people not to f**k.
You will not believe, but in many countries there are such laws.
And your perversions, including in games, hurt ME.
Why should I think about your perversions if you don't think about normal people? Why should your perversions should be the norm when the norm is just a man and a woman capable of producing offspring?
And do not talk about perversions in myths and legends. Perversions are not normal at all.
Do you want to be able to eat poop in games? It's an option!
If you think this is the norm - you are a pervert.
If you don't think it's normal, then you're a hypocrite.
You will not believe, but in many countries there are such laws.
And your perversions, including in games, hurt ME.
Why should I think about your perversions if you don't think about normal people? Why should your perversions should be the norm when the norm is just a man and a woman capable of producing offspring?
And do not talk about perversions in myths and legends. Perversions are not normal at all.
Do you want to be able to eat poop in games? It's an option!
If you think this is the norm - you are a pervert.
If you don't think it's normal, then you're a hypocrite.

Sabin_Stargem
Eldritch Being
Registered: Jun 2009
From Other
Posted July 10, 2023
Games with guro typically state that they have it, and often have an option to control types of content you encounter. Furthermore, a game on GOG called "Cult of the Lamb" allows your followers to eat shit. I haven't heard anyone complain about that.
Point is, I simply look at a game, decide whether it allows me to enjoy it, and then go from there. My personal distaste of guro doesn't require me to prevent others from enjoying it. So long as we don't force others to actively engage with content, we can all pursue our respective desires.
Point is, I simply look at a game, decide whether it allows me to enjoy it, and then go from there. My personal distaste of guro doesn't require me to prevent others from enjoying it. So long as we don't force others to actively engage with content, we can all pursue our respective desires.

rjbuffchix
Online/Galaxy required = DRM.
Registered: Jun 2017
From United States
Posted July 10, 2023

Why should I think about your perversions if you don't think about normal people? Why should your perversions should be the norm when the norm is just a man and a woman capable of producing offspring?
And do not talk about perversions in myths and legends. Perversions are not normal at all.
[...]
Do you want to be able to eat poop in games? It's an option!
If you think this is the norm - you are a pervert.
If you don't think it's normal, then you're a hypocrite.
Ok, I'll bite (not into poop though).
Please explain how a game including the option for the player's fictional character to "eat fictional poop" is something that affects you personally.

Catac1ysm
ʕ ᵔᴥᵔ ʔ
Registered: Dec 2018
From Argentina
Posted July 10, 2023

Why don't you think about the people who don't accept that content? You only think about yourself and your perversions.
It's simple, if this opportunity gives you pleasure - you are a pervert. A normal person is sick of just thinking about it.

rjbuffchix
Online/Galaxy required = DRM.
Registered: Jun 2017
From United States

discountbuyer
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Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
Posted July 10, 2023

... after watching Larian's latest "Panel from Hell" Livestream...
... I think I'll forego it.
Sexual shenanigans and genital customization?
I'm all for companions and love interests... but... this feels like adventuring in dungeons and fighting dragons is now about...
... sexual conquests?
And on-top-of-that, there was a dark, disturbing horror tone to this "Panel from Hell."
While I understand scary elements in an adventure, this just felt "sick." Where was the fun adventuring?
I don't know... the new characters, the storytelling, the sex...
I guess this Baldur's Gate just isn't made for my tastes. I understand that some of these elements are optional, but...
... I just don't want to give Hasbro / Larian money for pandering to specific people and audiences.
I'll probably just play Solasta and the Pathfinders again.
And don't get me wrong...
... if Hasbro and Larian wanted to make a game with these elements for the "adult" audience, fine... but... Baldur's Gate!? Larian and Hasbro have brought new meaning to DUNGEONS & Dragons. *face palm*
Post edited July 10, 2023 by discountbuyer