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Darvond: That's odd, what's this thing starts with D, ends with Emo? (Also lacking for that, thousands of video previews?)
Please show me where I can get a demo of BG3. Last I saw, Larian was charging $60 for their 'demo' ...
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idbeholdME: Honestly, it's not about the bear sex itself. What annoys people is that if they had shown a scene with a big titted, hourglass-shaped Drow, you know that the very same people who are praising it now would be screaming bloody murder. And don't try to pretend like that's not the case.

We've arrived at a stage where gay bear sex, a literal furry fantasy bordering on bestiality is brave and progressive but sexy female characters are mysoginistic, disgusting satisfaction of the male gaze. Have your furry fantasy, but play fair and give me sexy female characters to romance too. You too can choose not to engage with it you know... Double standards is what people are getting sick of. Anyone not seeing the uglification of female characters in the western media in the last... well... decade or so, is in denial.

Also, marketing your game by an obvious drama bait doesn't really leave a good taste in most peoples' mouths.
Pretty much this. It's the double-standards people despise. For all the so called sex-positive people in this thread who love gay bear sex why don't you contact Larian and ask them to put in a sexy and busty hot chick that can only be romanced by a straight male character? Surely the option shouldn't bother you, right.........?
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Sabin_Stargem: This sounds promising. The game sounds much better to me now, because it isn't entrapped by the tyranny of puritanism. The world is a much better place when people can engage in their sexuality.
Found the furry.
I think my closing comments on this thread are:

At least with this game, we were attempting to debate whether an actual feature and wider content in a game had merit and the impact of said feature on our buying decisions.

I don't always agree with him, but Time4Tea has put forward some very good, well reasoned points here (especially on the trend to hugely change existing and established IPs rather than being creative and making new ones), as has Kai2.

I haven't read everyone's comments in detail here, but I can't see anyone saying that people who want to buy the game shouldn't. A lot of people are saying that they won't buy the game (myself included - I'm not going to drop £50 just to confirm I was right, which would be a very self-defeating suggestion) and are saying why they don't want to buy it. There's nothing wrong with that. Most of the responses here have been understanding of that position. Some have not.

I can think of another game recently where different people were calling for boycotts and bans (and in extreme cases not linked to any GoG users - threatening streamers who played the game) because they didn't (or didn't want to) understand the nuance and complexities behind comments made by the IP creator on complicated subjects.

[Edit - as it might be misinterpreted as criticising what jespen said, which isn't my intention at all, I've removed the quote from him and my first sentence]
Post edited July 10, 2023 by pds41
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GHOSTMD: I DO draw the line though, when language is changed, to support delusions and denial tendencies
regarding the physical truth we re ALL bound too. Let alone being overly soft, when using the right language is critical.
This is incoherent given that language is arbitrary in the first place and moreover that there are many, many languages with different properties. How are you arriving at your conclusion that "your language" is the right one and all other languages and cultures are, apparently, wrong?
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jepsen1977: It's the double-standards people despise. For all the so called sex-positive people in this thread who love gay bear sex why don't you contact Larian and ask them to put in a sexy and busty hot chick that can only be romanced by a straight male character? Surely the option shouldn't bother you, right.........?
I am not aware of a single person in this topic holding this "double-standard" so you are arguing against a strawman. I do not have the time to contact Larian one way or another, but yes I would be in favor of them having a "sexy and busty hot chick that can only be romanced by a straight male character" option in the game. However, I would prefer if this character could be romanced by other characters too, because my position is that there should be maximal options rather than limiting the player's options.
Post edited July 10, 2023 by rjbuffchix
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Yeshu: Found the furry.
My preferences are for anime ladies and monstergirls, such as lamia. Whole-on animals are not my personal interest. That said, it is important to protect sexuality of others. Partially out of egalitarianism, but also because puritans would persecute me for daring to acknowledge my desires. Be a person straight, gay, furry, or disinterested, all people should be allowed to enjoy their sexuality in their own way.

Sexuality is an important aspect of being human, one of the things that makes life worth living. To remove sex from a person, isn't much different from being barred from reading Lord of the Rings, or Super Mario World being banned. It would be unfair, cruel, and stupid.

It is important for people to defend sexual liberty. In my eyes, puritans are evil at heart, because they corrode humanity's ability to enjoy life to the fullest for no real reason.
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rjbuffchix: because my position is that there should be maximal options rather than limiting the player's options.
You want to get as many perversions as possible in the game. It is not normal.
Normal - is the development of the game universe of D&D, immersing the user in the world of fantasy, and not sexual debauchery.
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Sabin_Stargem: all people should be allowed to enjoy their sexuality in their own way.

Sexuality is an important aspect of being human, one of the things that makes life worth living. To remove sex from a person, isn't much different from being barred from reading Lord of the Rings, or Super Mario World being banned. It would be unfair, cruel, and stupid.

It is important for people to defend sexual liberty. In my eyes, puritans are evil at heart, because they corrode humanity's ability to enjoy life to the fullest for no real reason.
If you follow your words, then you encourage a pervert who came to a kindergarten and arranged an orgy. After all, you are protecting his ability to enjoy his sexuality.
Perverts have always existed. But to pass off their behavior as the norm and force normal people to accept their perversions is a crime.
Post edited July 10, 2023 by Catac1ysm
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Catac1ysm: What kind of nonsense are you talking about? How is the werewolf related to human-animal sex?
Because the werewolf is a person in wolf form? Like this bear is a person is bear form? What, did you think it was just some random bear in the woods? LOL! You people are hilarious.

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Catac1ysm: Some content should not be present in everyday life in any form! What is the difference between zoophilia and pedophilia? Damn, you really don’t understand that these are mental disorders and this needs to be treated, and not shown in games?
Show me laws about humans in animal form having sex. Oh wait, there aren't any, and it's not a mental disorder because it's magic, which isn't real. Not sure if you got the memo about that. Plenty of stuff in mythology like Zeus turning into various animal forms and having children with women. Do you want books of folklore and mythology banned too? Speaking of mental disorders....

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Catac1ysm: If you follow your words, then you encourage a pervert who came to a kindergarten and arranged an orgy. After all, you are protecting his ability to enjoy his sexuality.
No. That hurts children, and is entirely non-consensual. For you to make this blatantly false equivalency is way out of line. The situation in the game is two adults agreeing to have sex, and one of them essentially does the magical equivalent of putting on a bear costume. It's truly vile for you to equate that with molesting children. And may I remind you that you're on record as being fine with murdering innocent people in GTA.
Post edited July 10, 2023 by eric5h5
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Catac1ysm: Perverts have always existed. But to pass off their behavior as the norm and force normal people to accept their perversions is a crime.
This is why I consider you to be filled with malice. As people keep mentioning, you have to deliberately encourage the game to encounter the bear scene. That you consider this "forced", implies that you lack the willpower to avoid having bear sex.

That is bloody stupid. I assume you and the bulk of humanity are responsible enough to understand choices in games.

The core of the issue is that you simply want to brainwash or enslave other humans. What I and others want is the ability to fulfill our sexual interests. I fully support you not pursuing a romance with a bear druid, because that is your personal choice. That is fair for everyone, far more ethical than your totalitarian desire to essentially neuter us.
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eric5h5: Because the werewolf is a person in wolf form? Like this bear is a person is bear form?
Werewolf is another person. Werewolfs want to eat people not to f**k.

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eric5h5: Show me laws about humans in animal form having sex.
You will not believe, but in many countries there are such laws.
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eric5h5: No. That hurts children, and is entirely non-consensual.
And your perversions, including in games, hurt ME.
Why should I think about your perversions if you don't think about normal people? Why should your perversions should be the norm when the norm is just a man and a woman capable of producing offspring?
And do not talk about perversions in myths and legends. Perversions are not normal at all.

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Sabin_Stargem: choices in games.
Do you want to be able to eat poop in games? It's an option!
If you think this is the norm - you are a pervert.
If you don't think it's normal, then you're a hypocrite.
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Catac1ysm: Do you want to be able to eat poop in games? It's an option!
Games with guro typically state that they have it, and often have an option to control types of content you encounter. Furthermore, a game on GOG called "Cult of the Lamb" allows your followers to eat shit. I haven't heard anyone complain about that.

Point is, I simply look at a game, decide whether it allows me to enjoy it, and then go from there. My personal distaste of guro doesn't require me to prevent others from enjoying it. So long as we don't force others to actively engage with content, we can all pursue our respective desires.
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Catac1ysm: And your perversions, including in games, hurt ME.
Why should I think about your perversions if you don't think about normal people? Why should your perversions should be the norm when the norm is just a man and a woman capable of producing offspring?
And do not talk about perversions in myths and legends. Perversions are not normal at all.

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Do you want to be able to eat poop in games? It's an option!
If you think this is the norm - you are a pervert.
If you don't think it's normal, then you're a hypocrite.
Your comments get more and more intellectually dishonest as we keep going, sheesh. Others have already pointed out how offensive your earlier reply was ("anyone who doesn't agree with what I say is the norm, is clearly a 'Jared'! Tee-hee!").

Ok, I'll bite (not into poop though).

Please explain how a game including the option for the player's fictional character to "eat fictional poop" is something that affects you personally.
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Sabin_Stargem: I simply look at a game, decide whether it allows me to enjoy it, and then go from there. My personal distaste of guro doesn't require me to prevent others from enjoying it.
The OP stated that he will pass BG3 because of that content. But then you came running and began to impose your point of view, calling what is happening in the video the norm. Again double standards.
Why don't you think about the people who don't accept that content? You only think about yourself and your perversions.
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rjbuffchix: Please explain how a game including the option for the player's fictional character to "eat fictional poop" is something that affects you personally.
It's simple, if this opportunity gives you pleasure - you are a pervert. A normal person is sick of just thinking about it.
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rjbuffchix: Please explain how a game including the option for the player's fictional character to "eat fictional poop" is something that affects you personally.
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Catac1ysm: It's simple, if this opportunity gives you pleasure - you are a pervert. A normal person is sick of just thinking about it.
I didn't even say anything about about "pleasure." The type of characters I tend to roleplay in games wouldn't engage in that particular in-game action. My point is just that fictional content cannot cause real harm. You appeared to claim the opposite and I want to know how that could be logically justified.

You very clearly divide the world into "normal" and "perverts." Whatever increases "perversion" (your term), decreases "normalcy." You are committed to the side of "normalcy" so it is important that "perversion" does not gain ground. Is that about right? I think reality is a tad broader than that.
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kai2: I've been looking forward to Baldur's Gate 3, but...

... after watching Larian's latest "Panel from Hell" Livestream...

... I think I'll forego it.

Sexual shenanigans and genital customization?

I'm all for companions and love interests... but... this feels like adventuring in dungeons and fighting dragons is now about...

... sexual conquests?

And on-top-of-that, there was a dark, disturbing horror tone to this "Panel from Hell."

While I understand scary elements in an adventure, this just felt "sick." Where was the fun adventuring?

I don't know... the new characters, the storytelling, the sex...

I guess this Baldur's Gate just isn't made for my tastes. I understand that some of these elements are optional, but...

... I just don't want to give Hasbro / Larian money for pandering to specific people and audiences.

I'll probably just play Solasta and the Pathfinders again.

And don't get me wrong...

... if Hasbro and Larian wanted to make a game with these elements for the "adult" audience, fine... but... Baldur's Gate!? Larian and Hasbro have brought new meaning to DUNGEONS & Dragons. *face palm*
Not surprising after what they did to the BG "remasters".
Post edited July 10, 2023 by discountbuyer