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Posted September 11, 2021
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nightcraw1er.488: I am afraid this type of thing is happening worldwide now, in everything. Everyone carries mobile phones on them, with gps locating. Households fully of “smart” devices. “Smart” devices capturing health information, lifestyle, and social information. The old movies, skynet and big brother are tame compared to the future. Everyday subtle collection of every bit of your life, being fed into insurance firms, legal systems, political systems, target campaigns etc.
sadly true
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BlueMooner: I hear Oz just wants people to be quiet, that's all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shBwf97O7zk&ab_channel=thejuicemedia
thats why dvotes and bans were implemented
Post edited September 11, 2021 by Orkhepaj
Posted September 11, 2021
Duct taping monitoring cameras on koala bears seems like a logical next step.
Posted September 11, 2021
oh and to the guy saying police planting cp on you seems a highly specific fear... so do drugs and we all know that has never historically happened in the physical realm.

Fact is it would be a highly effective way of enabling blackmail to a secondary source (a lead) of a person of interest or if you wanted to get someone you expect of terrorism (such as anyone planning to defend themselves against an encroaching authoritarian state for example)l to even get them isolated and desperate (putting the thumbscrews on them as part of a black flag operation to further restrict civil liberties) then planting evidence is definitely going to pay dividends in a way that will be untraceable to you, because hey it's not you -> it's their account.
Don't worry though I'm sure we don't have the term black flag operation for any particular reason.
Post edited September 11, 2021 by MaceyNeil
Posted September 11, 2021
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JakobFel: Australia is determined to become a totalitarian dystopia. It's already three quarters of the way there and this may have just pushed things over the edge. I feel for them. This is why privacy and protecting your freedoms is paramount. Global freedom has never been threatened as severely as it is right now.
Yeah, it's not like 20th century had totalitarian states in Europe; Jim Crow laws in US; imperialistic wars over colonies and oh wait a minute...
Posted September 11, 2021
Why?

It's simple...

Governments ALWAYS look to improve both power and control. Even the best of them have an authoritarian inclination. History bears this out.

That is why the citizenry must ALWAYS stay involved and make certain their provisions of checks-and-balances (if they exist) are strong, working, and exercised. If not -- if the citizenry is disconnected from government, or blinded by entertainment, gadgets, greed, or illusions -- we see the "virus" of authoritarianism spreads quickly... and especially when directed.

The "interesting" thing is that events like the above are happening (so far) under Constitutional Monarchies. Are subjects fully realized "free" citizens?

(and to any new to the subject, I suggest you look around the internet and find the many videos on "wellness camps"... or maybe it was the tracking and tracing app that picks out a person at random and they must respond with visual biometric and location data within 15 mins?)

Be seeing you
Post edited September 11, 2021 by kai2
Posted September 11, 2021
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out

because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

- Martin Niemöller
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BreOl72: The question that I always ask myself when reading something like this, is: WHY?

WHY do ordinary people believe their government is after them?
Oh i don't know... Government demands everyone gets on their plan and those that don't are on a list... anyone with the means to defend themselves are also on the list. anyone that questions what they are doing are on the list... Which means i'm probably on the list.
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BreOl72: WHY do ordinary people almost always believe their government will use child porn to go after them?
I mean: that's a very particular fear, isn't it?
Almost suspiciously particular.
One of the easiest ways to convict you and only having to have trace evidence on any of your devices that they can easily hack? Why not? And there's no 'he said she said' it's 'you got it and you're thrown in jail... oh and we confiscate everything' probably.
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BreOl72: And...WHY do those same ordinary people never think of this simple fact: IF your government ever truly wants to take you out - they can simply make you disappear.

In Australia, around 30.000 people are reported missing each year.
Not all of them get found again.

So, WHY should your government ser up an over-complicated plot to get you behind bars, if they simply can send some black-clad goons to drag you into a van and take you for a ride to the "and-nobody-ever-saw-him-again" part of the outback?
In Australia mexico and others maybe. But people start asking questions, posting videos. And if a van pulls up and you have neighbors who don't take kindly to it, the van is likely to get pelted with bullet holes. To say the least i won't take kindly to FBI or anyone invading my home and i'll defend it to the death...

But arresting you because you are a bad person with child porn, well... that's much harder to get around now isn't it?


But don't worry all those in power who actually do it won't get convicted... and any attempt to do so will get shut down at the highest level with every attempt to uncover and bring to justice... One rule for Me, another for Thee
Post edited September 11, 2021 by rtcvb32
Posted September 11, 2021
This is like that thing Cleve was talking about.
Posted September 11, 2021
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BreOl72: The question that I always ask myself when reading something like this, is: WHY?
You do remember that place called East Germany AKA the DDR?
Posted September 11, 2021
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rtcvb32: First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out

because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

- Martin Niemöller
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BreOl72: The question that I always ask myself when reading something like this, is: WHY?

WHY do ordinary people believe their government is after them?
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rtcvb32: Oh i don't know... Government demands everyone gets on their plan and those that don't are on a list... anyone with the means to defend themselves are also on the list. anyone that questions what they are doing are on the list... Which means i'm probably on the list.
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BreOl72: WHY do ordinary people almost always believe their government will use child porn to go after them?
I mean: that's a very particular fear, isn't it?
Almost suspiciously particular.
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rtcvb32: One of the easiest ways to convict you and only having to have trace evidence on any of your devices that they can easily hack? Why not? And there's no 'he said she said' it's 'you got it and you're thrown in jail... oh and we confiscate everything' probably.
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BreOl72: And...WHY do those same ordinary people never think of this simple fact: IF your government ever truly wants to take you out - they can simply make you disappear.

In Australia, around 30.000 people are reported missing each year.
Not all of them get found again.

So, WHY should your government ser up an over-complicated plot to get you behind bars, if they simply can send some black-clad goons to drag you into a van and take you for a ride to the "and-nobody-ever-saw-him-again" part of the outback?
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rtcvb32: In Australia mexico and others maybe. But people start asking questions, posting videos. And if a van pulls up and you have neighbors who don't take kindly to it, the van is likely to get pelted with bullet holes. To say the least i won't take kindly to FBI or anyone invading my home and i'll defend it to the death...

But arresting you because you are a bad person with child porn, well... that's much harder to get around now isn't it?

But don't worry all those in power who actually do it won't get convicted... and any attempt to do so will get shut down at the highest level with every attempt to uncover and bring to justice... One rule for Me, another for Thee
Well how effective a tool does it become that before even a trial by law the assumption has your defenders abandon you?
Paddy wagon pulls up man dragged out kicking and screaming, but no drugs and no screaming wife what is your assumption?
He was an evil man, he kept to himself a lot and that's creepy.
Then a charge that is trumped up; who will stand by him knowing him through their life?
Yes a lawyer will take the case; but you better hope their professional and not an emotional lizard brained human, but then it probably wouldn't matter.
That's the guys facebook account, there's the posted material, if it's his account it's his material what defense can the actually innocent man make?
Besides that the damage is already done so a blackmail threat is actually realized at the very point a charge is laid, but is most likely to be effective at arrest because at that point under interrogation the police could just decide to drop charges with no further scrutiny.

I found funny today this gem I came across, where a once head of our nanny state, big brother nation has trouble believing he too is being watched and doesn't like it.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-new-south-wales-update-police-fine-former-prime-minister-tony-abbott/7686baa0-543b-4b24-be87-40cca33abd44
How dare there be laws that are enforced by the scrutiny we advocate, against us in charge; whereby a person can unaccountably survielle and it's result be used to show a breach where we assert there was none.
Posted September 11, 2021
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Post edited September 11, 2021 by morolf
Posted September 11, 2021
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BreOl72: And...WHY do those same ordinary people never think of this simple fact: IF your government ever truly wants to take you out - they can simply make you disappear.

In Australia, around 30.000 people are reported missing each year.
Not all of them get found again.
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morolf: If you make political dissidents disappear they might become martyrs, and this could delegitimize the system (at least for systems that want to keep up some democratic facade). It's much safer to destroy their reputation and social status, to make them look like repellent deviants in the eyes of the public. Sex crimes are especially suitable for such a task.
Anyway, this thread will surely get locked, kind of pointless.
You can do that with or without such laws if you are a goverment.
Posted September 12, 2021
In my country you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, so you are double damned!

Hmm... Funny how the army show up in hazmat suits after a covid19 vaccine spill... For a vaccine that is "oh so safe and effective"

see here!

Strange that!
Post edited September 12, 2021 by fr33kSh0w2012
Posted September 12, 2021
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JakobFel: Australia is determined to become a totalitarian dystopia. It's already three quarters of the way there and this may have just pushed things over the edge. I feel for them. This is why privacy and protecting your freedoms is paramount. Global freedom has never been threatened as severely as it is right now.
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Mafwek: Yeah, it's not like 20th century had totalitarian states in Europe; Jim Crow laws in US; imperialistic wars over colonies and oh wait a minute...
You mean the things that have long since been stricken down? Furthermore, this sort of thing threatens all of humankind, not just individual countries, cultures or races. That's not to say that those weren't important issues that didn't need to be taken care of, because they certainly DID need to be taken down, but they only affected certain people while privacy issues and tyranny like we're seeing right now all thanks to the pandemic being used as an excuse, it's the greatest threat to the liberty of mankind that we've ever seen. Why? Because unlike previous attempts to reduce global freedom, everyone seems to just be accepting this with open arms because "it's for the greater good" because "people are dying" and "criminals are thriving", nevermind the 99.x% survival rate and the fact that criminals will always find a way to do what they do.

I would think that GOGers would realize that limiting the liberties of law-abiding citizens because there are criminals out there is not the right thing to do, considering that's exactly what Iwinski and CD Projekt sought to fight when they started GOG...
Posted September 12, 2021
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morolf: removed
oh no do they censor here too?:O
Posted September 12, 2021
question. Who voted them in? not me....
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