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General discussionAnnouncement regarding few games being removed from GOG(194 posts)(194 posts)
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Posted October 26, 2017
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elcook: Since we’re merging, we have to assign all the license agreements with all our partners to GOG located in Poland.
I really don't see how this is related. There are many ways to do such merge without having to assign all the licence agreements. Of course there might be some reason to do it such way, but if it was just the case of merging, then someone didn't do a great job.
Posted October 26, 2017
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MarkoH01: I have to agree to this. Tbh I don't even understand why the GOG users were asked in this thread to not reach out to the devs/publishers to prevent those games from being removed
Look at the tone in these forums lately... Of course they can't say officially "please ask the devs to stay here". It would amount to "How dare you to leave the DRM-free revolution. Traitor! we'll kill you!!!

Believe it or not, the internet is like that nowadayways...
Posted October 26, 2017
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tfishell: Don't worry about Carpe Fulgur games (afaik)! - https://twitter.com/SpaceDrakeCF/status/923255481379954688

Silly GOG, why didn't you even try Twitter? :P EDIT: I suppose for legal reasons/NDA they wouldn't want to even hint on this over Twitter (even tweeting at Andrew "Hey can you follow us so we can message you"), but still...
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elcook: You know, sometimes Twitter is not the tool you'd like to use. And remember it's not our first contact with these guys, since we did sign agreements with them ;)
Nevertheless, let's hope more partners will reach out so we won't have to remove their games from the catalogue!
Right, sorry I didn't mean to assume or overreach. Still, if need be, I'd say make the first step instead of waiting for the others.
Posted October 26, 2017
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MarkoH01: How about "HELP us to reach those devs and ask them to contact GOG" - I don't see no pressure here. Also it is not that those devs/publishers were even trying to go away from GOG it's just happening because they could not be reached. Asking the devs if they did know that GOG have to remove their games and ask them to contact GOG if they don't even want that to happen is no pressure and no forcing at all. It all depends on how you ask.
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Posted October 26, 2017
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Olauron: That dev/publisher may be angry at GOG
Sorry, but if you're a dev/publisher that's treating gog customers like dirt, you have no business to be angry at anyone except yourself for pissing off your paying customers in the first place.

HOWEVER...

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toxicTom: Look at the tone in these forums lately... Of course they can't say officially "please ask the devs to stay here". It would amount to "How dare you to leave the DRM-free revolution. Traitor! we'll kill you!!!

Believe it or not, the internet is like that nowadayways...
Don't underestimate people's intelligence. In forums, I tend to be one of the more passionate participants (which is really just a nice way to say that I tend to use profanity a lot), but even I know that hurling obscenities at devs and publishers would be rather counterproductive. You have no idea how many times I've been itching to type the words "Hey cocksucker, where's my fucking update?" into that email header, but I didn't. I stay polite. I'm usually even complimenting the devs ("I really enjoyed your game, so I would really appreciate it if..."). If you want people to give you what you want (even if you feel entitled to it - and in the case of updates on gog, you ARE entitled to it, since you're a paying customer), you'll have to be polite. If you're rude, you're going to get ignored. It's common sense, really.
Posted October 26, 2017
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elcook: Unfortunately, some partners are very hard to reach, even for us, and since we didn’t manage to get their consents to this assignment we’ll have to remove a few titles from the catalogue until further notice.
You can't reach your partners? I assume you are still paying them if I buy their game?
Posted October 26, 2017
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MrFortyFive: Thanks for the heads up. Can anyone tell me what the difference between the version of Mutant Mudds here and the deluxe edition on Steam is? I'm having a hard time finding an answer.
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drmike: From the wikipedia article, there appears to be 20 additional levels after the original 60 released for the 3DS version:

The 20 bonus levels, included in the PC version of the game and as free downloadable content for the 3DS version, sees players taking control of Max's grandmother, Granny. She is able to use all of the upgrades simultaneously.
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drmike: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutant_Mudds

Looks like GoG just copied the text from the publisher's website while Steam just added 20 to the count.
afaik, the game originally released with 20 main levels and 20 bonus levels. Then when it got ported to other platforms all the versions got 20 more bonus levels and granny as a pc. Then when it was ported to sony platforms all the versions except gog got 20 new ghost levels which were admittedly just the main levels again with different graphics and enemies respawning, level checkpoints, and four new playable charactrs which all played about the same as granny.
Posted October 26, 2017
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fronzelneekburm: So maybe you guys - or some committed goglodyte; I'm looking at you tfishell, I know you have a Steam account! ;P
I'd do it if GOG paid me. :p (I'm poor m8) I don't mind living in Poland.
Posted October 26, 2017
Thanks for heads up. The lead time on this is much appreciated.
Posted October 26, 2017
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elcook: Since we’re merging, we have to assign all the license agreements with all our partners to GOG located in Poland.
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SLP2000: I really don't see how this is related. There are many ways to do such merge without having to assign all the licence agreements. Of course there might be some reason to do it such way, but if it was just the case of merging, then someone didn't do a great job.
From what they explained to us (the six of us that visited them in Warsaw), it's not that cut-and-dried. There are issues and complications (none of which I can detail, due to the NDA). If you're an expert in corporate law, then perhaps you're aware of better ways to go about it, but from what we were told, this is the way it works.
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elcook: Unfortunately, some partners are very hard to reach, even for us, and since we didn’t manage to get their consents to this assignment we’ll have to remove a few titles from the catalogue until further notice.
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laser_eyes: You can't reach your partners? I assume you are still paying them if I buy their game?
I'm not sure what I'm allowed to say about this, but if you stop and consider for a bit, I'm sure you can come up with a scenario that makes sense here. :)
Post edited October 26, 2017 by GR00T
Posted October 26, 2017
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Telika: This is awesome. The odd Cyprus thing was always making me ill at ease, it always made me suspect some shady tax-avoidance trick. The relocation makes it all look a bit clearer and more natural. Even if it's a superficial feel (I don't know the intricacies behind all this), it does give a better image of GOG.
Obviously it was a tax thing, Cyprus was a well known tax paradise back then and that status has fallen to the wayside in the last half decade or so. Whether that's shady is another matter.
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elcook: Since we’re merging, we have to assign all the license agreements with all our partners to GOG located in Poland.
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SLP2000: I really don't see how this is related. There are many ways to do such merge without having to assign all the licence agreements. Of course there might be some reason to do it such way, but if it was just the case of merging, then someone didn't do a great job.
They probably had rights to sell them from Cyprus but not from Poland.
Post edited October 26, 2017 by Pheace
Posted October 26, 2017
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Olauron: That dev/publisher may be angry at GOG in case of an open approval from GOG: "Yes, reach those devs by yourself". They may see this as GOG trying to use its user base to force them into agreement.
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MarkoH01: How about "HELP us to reach those devs and ask them to contact GOG" - I don't see no pressure here. Also it is not that those devs/publishers were even trying to go away from GOG it's just happening because they could not be reached. Asking the devs if they did know that GOG have to remove their games and ask them to contact GOG if they don't even want that to happen is no pressure and no forcing at all. It all depends on how you ask.
I may be wrong, but I see the blue post as an official answer and as such an unwillingness of GOG to have its user base as a middleman (middlecrowd?) in relations with its business partners even in such an innocent situation.
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Olauron: That dev/publisher may be angry at GOG
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fronzelneekburm: Sorry, but if you're a dev/publisher that's treating gog customers like dirt, you have no business to be angry at anyone except yourself for pissing off your paying customers in the first place.
We have about zero information so I'm not going to judge the treating. Still I can see why even in such an innocent case one partner may not appreciate the way of another partner using forum members to have a dialogue. Just like with wishlists: while GOG benefits from the wishlists in negotiations with publishers GOG can't directly ask users to vote for any or specific game.
Post edited October 26, 2017 by Olauron
Posted October 26, 2017
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GR00T: From what they explained to us (the six of us that visited them in Warsaw), it's not that cut-and-dried. There are issues and complications (none of which I can detail, due to the NDA). If you're an expert in corporate law, then perhaps you're aware of better ways to go about it, but from what we were told, this is the way it works.
As I said, there might be some reason in corporate law, but I can't see any basing on copyright law.
Posted October 26, 2017
Thanks for the heads up. I'm somewhat interested is some of these games so I'll make sure if I really want them ;)
Posted October 26, 2017
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fronzelneekburm: Swallow your pride and just do it! Reach out to them on the friggin Steam forums if you have to, that's where most of the indie dev scum hangs out. Hell, only today did I realise that the company behind Slender has an actual community manager by the name of "Community Manager - Denis" that still regularly posts on the Steam forums. So maybe you guys - or some committed goglodyte; I'm looking at you tfishell, I know you have a Steam account! ;P - can reach out to him in a last-ditch attempt to get that latest build here. At least then you'll have exhausted all the possible avenues. It may not look professional, but you owe it to your customers to try everything to give them the best possible product.

Also, the fact that Cinemaware isn't being pulled seems to imply you're still in contact with the rights holders. Then why has the Cinemaware Anthology (that includes all the stuff that gog is selling for $17.97 and much, MUCH more for $9.99) not been released yet? What about that "way they're going to make it up to their customers" - back in 2014? Any word on that?
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MarkoH01: I have to agree to this. Tbh I don't even understand why the GOG users were asked in this thread to not reach out to the devs/publishers to prevent those games from being removed. I simply don't see the downside contacting a developer/publisher as long as we both follow the same goal - keeping their games on GOG. It's not as if we would yell at them or anything. If I would - in theory - tell a dev/publisher that I like the game and I don't want it to be removed from GOG or that I am sad that it will be removed from GOG and ask them if they could help prevent doing this I see no reason why any dev/publisher should be angry about this ... and especially I don't see how any dev/publisher could then be angry at GOG - which is of course what should be avoided. People are sometimes hard to reach and legal contracts need to be signed. This is nobodys fault but imo in theory everybody could help to make this right. Nobody can forbid me to contact a dev when there is (again) a missing update on GOG so why now? Maybe there is something I am missing here?
But we won't forbid anyone to do so. We just don't want to actively ask you for that :)
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elcook: You know, sometimes Twitter is not the tool you'd like to use. And remember it's not our first contact with these guys, since we did sign agreements with them ;)
Nevertheless, let's hope more partners will reach out so we won't have to remove their games from the catalogue!
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DoctorGOGgles: While you're negotiating with Carpe Fulgur, could you please ask them, why Recettear and Chantelise on GOG don't have Japanese text, while you can easily switch to Japanese on Steam?
I've pestered GOG support about that multiple times in the past and they've tried to contact Carpe Fulgur about that and also failed, so maybe now's a good time to try again? You don't want Steam to offer a better version of the games than GOG, do you? ;)
Believe me we're on it for some time now. Hopefully we'll manage to get that done this time :)
Post edited October 26, 2017 by elcook
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