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Honsoku: The recession does not appear to be driving up prices, as just using post recession years (2007-2013) gives a growth rate of 2.03%. So the recession appears to be restraining prices (which runs counter to your implied concern with the 'subsidies increase tuition' study results). However, there does appear to have been a shift from private towards public as public grew 2.95% while private only grew 1%.
I'm going to be a bit of a dick here and assume you have some backgrounds in business/econ but don't actually work in doing research in this area, since your analysis can be derived from drawing one's knowledge of the higher ed market from Forbes/USA Today/HuffPo, and not, say, reading Andrew Gillen and other primary/secondary research.

On the quote above, I was actually talking about the recession's impact on borrowing (students borrowing), not on tuition. You're the one who's conflating the two and now saying I said something I did not actually say.

If anything, the evidence you're citing runs counter to your own argument. Loan eligibility increased significantly in the 07-08 year. Pell increased far in excess of its typical pace in 09-10. So two of the biggest increases in the largest aid programs, per your numbers, coincide with a lower-than-typical increase in tuition cost.
I dropped out to stay out of debt. The ones who stayed never got work in their respective fields and now are thousands of dollars in the red.

There were and are more grads than jobs.

Focus more on trades, they have a better chance of work (though still small since no one wants to do training anymore).

The world fucking sucks.
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ScotchMonkey: The world fucking sucks.
In general it does; however, things can go from suck to blow from time to time. Just watch Spaceballs.
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ScotchMonkey: The world fucking sucks.
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JDelekto: In general it does; however, things can go from suck to blow from time to time. Just watch Spaceballs.
Im just fed up. It's getting worse and at this point I don't care anymore.

I already have to deal with anxiety and dysthymia and childhood abuse and really I just don't give fuck anymore.

Its like to get your shot at happiness you have an idiot and ignore the world around you.

To be a financial success you have to be a sociopath.

Fuck the world.
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JDelekto: In general it does; however, things can go from suck to blow from time to time. Just watch Spaceballs.
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ScotchMonkey: Im just fed up. It's getting worse and at this point I don't care anymore.

I already have to deal with anxiety and dysthymia and childhood abuse and really I just don't give fuck anymore.

Its like to get your shot at happiness you have an idiot and ignore the world around you.

To be a financial success you have to be a sociopath.

Fuck the world.
Assuming you're an adult now, the world is what you make of it. Do you want to make it a better place? You can do it. Do you want to make it worse? You can do it. Do you want to just walk away and let it be? You can do it.

What's important to know is that you have choices. There are probably people who empathize with those choices and want to row the boat to your shore.

The world exists whether you're fed up or not, and I think your animosity is more directed at systems in place than they are at people in general. You can look past that.
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rtcvb32: I hear you. Sad to say, i wouldn't expect things to get better with how they are. The economy is going to collapse, just gotta wonder when...
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JDelekto: The real problem is fiat currency and how even real money today isn't considered legal tender. (Those cases where people try to pay others spitefully with pennies and other small denominations.)

While a fiat currency system may eventually collapse, I don't think an economy would collapse; they would just find another way to keep the system going.
I'd consider watching this video. It talks about the average cycle of a primary currency, namely 40 years. After 40 years something else needs to take over to lower the stresses. For 30-40 years the Euro would be the primary, then the British pound, at one point it was the french, etc; However the system got heavily skewed when gold-backed money was detached.

Although he doesn't mention it, back in biblical times there was a planned bankruptcy every 40 years as well with the Hebrews i think.

The video concentrates on a number of countries that are working to bypass the primary currency (USD) to do trade, and removing it from their economies.
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rtcvb32: Although he doesn't mention it, back in biblical times there was a planned bankruptcy every 40 years as well with the Hebrews i think.
It was among the peoples of Israel and called the Jubilee. I believe it was 49 years (7^2 for the biblical numerology).
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rtcvb32: planned bankruptcy every 40 years <snip> the Hebrews i think.
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bler144: It was among the peoples of Israel and called the Jubilee. I believe it was 49 years (7^2 for the biblical numerology).
It's been a long time (20 years?) since i heard/read about it; So you're likely right while my details are inaccurate.

Regardless, it was planned and everyone expected and prepared for it.
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HijacK: Best advice I was given in college? Never refuse free food or beer.
Never run if you can walk .
Never walk when you can stand .
Never stand when you can sit .
Never sit when you can lie down.
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bler144: It was among the peoples of Israel and called the Jubilee. I believe it was 49 years (7^2 for the biblical numerology).
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rtcvb32: It's been a long time (20 years?) since i heard/read about it; So you're likely right while my details are inaccurate.

Regardless, it was planned and everyone expected and prepared for it.
Not much difference between what we said. I'm just fond of squares, a la the 144 in my own name. ;)
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rtcvb32: It's been a long time (20 years?) since i heard/read about it; So you're likely right while my details are inaccurate.

Regardless, it was planned and everyone expected and prepared for it.
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bler144: Not much difference between what we said. I'm just fond of squares, a la the 144 in my own name. ;)
I prefer prime numbers, myself. Can't trust those square numbers. You never know what they're up to when no one's looking. :)
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TARFU: I prefer prime numbers, myself. Can't trust those square numbers. You never know what they're up to when no one's looking. :)
To be safe you better have it a prime number of digits too... like 127 (3 digits, so double prime :) )
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bler144: Not much difference between what we said. I'm just fond of squares, a la the 144 in my own name. ;)
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TARFU: I prefer prime numbers, myself. Can't trust those square numbers. You never know what they're up to when no one's looking. :)
What about prime squares? (Aside from the fact that they don't exist.)
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Nirth: I don't have statistics to support this but I'm going to give a good guess: you are in the minority that managed to use an opportunity like that. I'm sure in many work places there's an arbitrary policy to have a formal education because reason.

That said, I liked your story. Did you learn any useful soft skills during your years in the military?
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Stevedog13: ... My knowledge of firearms, explosives and searching for land mines are also no longer helpful. The Army did give me a greater attention to detail however, I'm much more observant than my peers.
cool story. we're still digging up unexploded shells and bombs from WWII in SEA.i think the more recently found shells were not japanese, but british munitions which were suppose to be destroyed before they surrendered. and they're still looking for landmines in cambodia.
Thank god I live in a civilized country where public education (secondary and college) is free, I have zero student debt. Americans can keep their capitalist nightmare.