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puviani: I'm a bit shocked that Elder Scrolls, particularly Oblivion, are nowhere to be found on that list. I don't mind personally, because I own them multiple times (including physical copies), but their absence in a list of the best RPGs is striking.
Yes, that is a bit of a significant omission. I could also point out the lack of any of the Infinity Engine games on the list; I happen to not like them, but for whatever reason they're quite popular and seem to have influenced many later games.

I could also mention that Ultima games appear twice on the list, but nowhere does the middle trilogy (4-6), which are probably the best games in the series, show up. We only see 1-3, which are likely too primitive for some people (though I do enjoy replaying 3 and sometimes 1 on occasion), and as I pointed out, Ultima 7 just isn't that good.
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teceem: I started Arx Fatalis this afternoon.
Very good game, most relevant to Underworld(s).
If I want to really lose myself in a RPG, Baldur's Gate is always the way to go.
Do ARPG's count at all, because I have more time in Grim Dawn (and I am sure I am not alone in that respect) than any RPG I have ever played including Might and Magic III way back in the good old days.
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puviani: I'm a bit shocked that Elder Scrolls, particularly Oblivion, are nowhere to be found on that list. I don't mind personally, because I own them multiple times (including physical copies), but their absence in a list of the best RPGs is striking.
considering Oblivion is the most hated issue of the series, it's unlikely it would be included in the list before Morrowind, (absent here) Skyrim or even Daggerfall even though it's probably your favourite. I like Oblivion too, but wouldn't call it the best RPG.
de gustibus, anyway.

what's more interesting is that GOG didn't use this chance to promote its own special and also one of the best CRPGs I've ever played - The Witcher. although it's story-driven chamber game with single character, while this list, it seems, focuses on open-world and party-based RPGs, and The Witcher is neither.
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GOG.com: explore unknown worlds and build relationships with robust characters they meet
but even considering the fact this promotional top does not include any action-RPGs, it's still very strange and arguable - would somebody really call the best RPG some obscure roguelike? or even more obscure jRPG? or King of Dragon Pass, even though it's great game?
as I see it, basically this is 'look what we have on sale!' list glazed with kinda controvertial discussion-igniting promotion. not very successful in discussion ignition, as it seems.
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puviani: I'm a bit shocked that Elder Scrolls, particularly Oblivion, are nowhere to be found on that list. I don't mind personally, because I own them multiple times (including physical copies), but their absence in a list of the best RPGs is striking.
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DedIago: considering Oblivion is the most hated issue of the series, it's unlikely it would be included in the list before Morrowind, (absent here) Skyrim or even Daggerfall even though it's probably your favourite. I like Oblivion too, but wouldn't call it the best RPG.
de gustibus, anyway.
Except that we have Ultima 1-3 and Ultima 7 on the list but no Ultima 4-6, so I can't really buy that argument at all.

(Also, the way I define genres, I'm thinking I wouldn't call Oblivion an RPG at all.)
Did I dream this, or was there previously a deluxe edition of Neverwinter Nights for sale which included all modules and expansions? I can't find it in the store.
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Random_Coffee: Did I dream this, or was there previously a deluxe edition of Neverwinter Nights for sale which included all modules and expansions? I can't find it in the store.
There was NWN Diamond Edition, which had the then officially released modules. But you had to apply the module reinstaller and some patches to play the game properly.

Then there's NWN Enhanced Edition. The officially released modules plus a new one (which is also very bad), called Dark Dreams of Furiae (sp?) are sold separatedly from the main game. You get the base game plus its expansions, but Kingmaker et al have to be purchased on their own.

Then there's an edition of NWN EE that includes everything. Buying everything manually won't unlock this one even if they're the same.
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Random_Coffee: Did I dream this, or was there previously a deluxe edition of Neverwinter Nights for sale which included all modules and expansions? I can't find it in the store.
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pippin15: There was NWN Diamond Edition, which had the then officially released modules. But you had to apply the module reinstaller and some patches to play the game properly.

Then there's NWN Enhanced Edition. The officially released modules plus a new one (which is also very bad), called Dark Dreams of Furiae (sp?) are sold separatedly from the main game. You get the base game plus its expansions, but Kingmaker et al have to be purchased on their own.

Then there's an edition of NWN EE that includes everything. Buying everything manually won't unlock this one even if they're the same.
What would you recommend to someone who was to play NWN EE for the first time? There is so much material that it is a bit confusing. The first campaign is really that bad? As to be skipped completely? The rest of the material is so good as to jump directly to it? The non-official material is that good?

To people outraged at finding their favorite title missing... The title of the post says clearly Eight of the best, not the eight best...
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pippin15: There was NWN Diamond Edition, which had the then officially released modules. But you had to apply the module reinstaller and some patches to play the game properly.

Then there's NWN Enhanced Edition. The officially released modules plus a new one (which is also very bad), called Dark Dreams of Furiae (sp?) are sold separatedly from the main game. You get the base game plus its expansions, but Kingmaker et al have to be purchased on their own.

Then there's an edition of NWN EE that includes everything. Buying everything manually won't unlock this one even if they're the same.
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Carradice: What would you recommend to someone who was to play NWN EE for the first time? There is so much material that it is a bit confusing. The first campaign is really that bad? As to be skipped completely? The rest of the material is so good as to jump directly to it? The non-official material is that good?

To people outraged at finding their favorite title missing... The title of the post says clearly Eight of the best, not the eight best...
Everything NWNEE sold here is official. There's fanmade modules, but only a handful of them are worth playing/actually completed. If you google reccomendations, you'll find them. The main campaign was just a showcase of what the toolset could do, because the main goal of NWN was to motivate the creation of fanmade stuff and the DM mode for multiplayer. It was almost an MMO when it came out and it was marketed as such. There's two main expansions that are way better, and that are meant to be played with the same character (the main campaign is supposed to be finished with a different character). You get to reach epic levels in those; the main one takes you to level 15 iirc.

Then there's the modules. Only a few of them are actually playable solo and others are designed with coop in mind. I'd say Kingmaker is the most fleshed out for that solo experience, so that could be a reccomendation.

IMO i'd say skip the main campaign (you'll only be missing the most boring fetch quests ever) and go straight for the main expansions.

We could gather a few people and try the multiplayer oriented modules. I've never played Infinite Dungeons.
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Carradice: ...
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pippin15: Everything NWNEE sold here is official. There's fanmade modules, but only a handful of them are worth playing/actually completed.
Thank you for the good advice! And yes, GOG community might be a great place for gathering people in order to play multiplayer modules.

A friend told me once, about classic NWN, that the official campaigns were better experienced with a fighter character, but I am not sure if that is really true (for balance) or if that is because he just likes fighters and would not like anything else. I guess that high levels might do for interesting mages, priests, or multiclass characters like fighter/thief/mage, fighter/priest/mage, etc...
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Carradice: A friend told me once, about classic NWN, that the official campaigns were better experienced with a fighter character, but I am not sure if that is really true (for balance) or if that is because he just likes fighters and would not like anything else. I guess that high levels might do for interesting mages, priests, or multiclass characters like fighter/thief/mage, fighter/priest/mage, etc...
I took a sorcerer through all of NWN (so starting SoU with the char that finished the original campaign too, even if that's supposed to be started with a new low-level one). Solo, wanting max exp, only left companions somewhere and returned to them for the dialogues / quests when something changed, and the pixie familiar just summoned when needed to unlock or disarm stuff. Did quite fine.
Char at the end of it all.
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pippin15: Everything NWNEE sold here is official. There's fanmade modules, but only a handful of them are worth playing/actually completed.
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Carradice: Thank you for the good advice! And yes, GOG community might be a great place for gathering people in order to play multiplayer modules.

A friend told me once, about classic NWN, that the official campaigns were better experienced with a fighter character, but I am not sure if that is really true (for balance) or if that is because he just likes fighters and would not like anything else. I guess that high levels might do for interesting mages, priests, or multiclass characters like fighter/thief/mage, fighter/priest/mage, etc...
Fighter is the "reccomended" option (the game has a "reccomended" button for every character-related choice so you don't mess up, if you know about DND you're free to try whatever you want though), but I'd say it's the most plain one in the long run. The game does check on many things (stats, skills, alignment, class), and fighter does miss out on a lot of things.
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I came to read a shitshow about some kind of bias and found a better one.

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Lone_Scout: The point of RPGs is playing a character. This character does not need to have the same personallity, behaviour or thoughts as the player. You can play an a***ole and enjoy the experience. Being a different person is fun.
So, no wrong in that point unless the whole game itself has a clear message supporting such ideas.
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dtgreene: From what I can tell, it's not just the character you play as; other characters are transphobic, to the point of deadnaming the character in question.

Also, even if the game doesn't support such ideas, they still should at least provide a trigger warning, so that the possible players can decide if they are prepared to handle such issues mentally. Even a game like Secret Little Haven (which is about a trans woman and was written by a trans woman) has, right on the game's itch.io page, "[CONTENT WARNINGS: Parental conflict, gaslighting, flashing visuals]". (Note that the game I am referencing here is not an RPG.)

Edit: Why the low rating? Could you please explain what was inappropriate about what I said?
You seem to not understand something fairly obvious. We live in a society, that, right now, seems to be largely off put by the elite who have N agendas that they're lauding over our heads at all times, just to show their moral superiority, especially in regards to morals that not all of society agrees with.

One of these very prominent issues right now being "transgender rights" (often shortened to "trans rights" to intentionally conflate with "transsexual rights"), where one of the things being used to push the overton window is "you're not a real lesbian if you won't sleep with a woman who has a dick." I keep hearing that "no trans person is like that," but i keep reading it everywhere. The thing is, i do believe that the grand majority actually arne't like that, but these fringe idiots are not making good impressions. I'm now constantly meeting LGBTQi+ people who are telling me they want nothing to do with the community, and even a few who want nothing to do with the LGB Alliance 'cause they feel it's mysandrist. Basically, the internal struggle of the community (Bi's being hated 'cause they "won't pick a side" or 'cause it implies there are only two genders, gay men being hated for being men, lesbians being belived to be "only political lesbians", and the list goes on) has come to the surface and everyone is seeing the toxic mess that was festering all this time and never got addressed. You got people now saying "look, i'm gay, but i'm not like them, i swear, don't be afraid of me" and stuff like that. Millenial and Gen-Z have been reporting to be less accepting of the LGBTQi+ community than they ever were before, and it seems it's still falling.

Frankly, in it's own way, anything that opposes the moral peacocking of major corporations (who all are starting to peacock that they hate corporations [example: i was trying out Just Cause 4, having never played any of the games before, and after about an hour of broken AI an mind-numbing cognitive dissonance, I crashed a helicoptor into the side of the mountain intentionally and quit the game]), no matter how hateful, is more or less "wholesome" at this point. I could go on about all the absolute BS going on right now, but, frankly, the average person just wants to hear someone on the other side for once, no matter how hateful or disgusting. The constant same-ness we see with everything, and you come in and invoke the Streisand Effect, and wonder what went wrong. Common, man, do you honestly not understand what's going on here? Are you really that disconnected with people outside of your own little social circle? Do you not talk to strangers?
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kohlrak: We live in a society,
Aaaand we've officially descended into straight up meme territory.

Can the mods come and save us, or do they live in a society too? Tune in next time! Sime bat-thread, same bat-forum!
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