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and I don't mean to detract from the magnificent 6 or their (awesome) tour or anything. most post reads back a little deprecating. not trying to nitpick or anything. I'm just trying to say I don't understand what the point is in getting all angry or worried over what is essentially legalese.
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Let's be real, some people are just never going to agree with other people about certain things. Obviously the only solution to kill everyone everywhere.
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RWarehall: As the GoG A-List has been hinted at and revealed throughout the whole thread.
I'm going to say the same thing I told HSL. Please do show the posts which can help identify the invited people.
I do get the feeling that some of the invited may see themselves in some of the posts (for example tfishell, skeletonbow and/or BKGaming in the "lack of passport"), but that would be because they have the additional knowledge of "Hey, I was invited and I didn't have a passport".
And from what I recall, the invited ones came forward themselves. I don't think any of us 6 that did make it named any names.
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RWarehall: As the GoG A-List has been hinted at and revealed throughout the whole thread.
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JMich: I'm going to say the same thing I told HSL. Please do show the posts which can help identify the invited people.
I do get the feeling that some of the invited may see themselves in some of the posts (for example tfishell, skeletonbow and/or BKGaming in the "lack of passport"), but that would be because they have the additional knowledge of "Hey, I was invited and I didn't have a passport".
And from what I recall, the invited ones came forward themselves. I don't think any of us 6 that did make it named any names.
The only hints I can recall you giving where the nationalities of the six who went, which you'd all obviously agreed to do anyway and had planned to come forward.
Anyone else who was revealed did so of their own free will.
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tfishell: Let's be real, some people are just never going to agree with other people about certain things. Obviously the only solution to kill everyone everywhere.
ROFL
Yeah, that sounds about right ;)
Post edited October 15, 2017 by adaliabooks
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tfishell: Obviously the only solution to kill everyone everywhere.


From United States
Didn't expect anything less :D Let's start with Operation "Freedom".
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tfishell: Obviously the only solution to kill everyone everywhere.

From United States
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Pawel1995: Didn't expect anything less :D Let's start with Operation "Freedom".
Oh come on! We didn't invent killing everyone everywhere!

We just perfected it.
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tfishell: Obviously the only solution to kill everyone everywhere.

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Pawel1995: Didn't expect anything less :D Let's start with Operation "Freedom".
Go stuff more pirogis and vodka down your hole ;) Wait, are we /pol/ now?

No but seriously despite Las Vegas I continue to support gun rights pretty fully. I, personally, live in the country so I'm unaffected by inner city gun violence. But good goddamn we need to stay out of other countries' business and wars, and focus on ourselves; let those muckers handle themselves and we muckers will handle ourselves.
Post edited October 16, 2017 by tfishell
I tried to keep up with the thread but due to the whole family being sick currently, I didn't quite manage, so maybe somebody could help me out here.

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RWarehall: But of course we are talking about telling people who were not part of the chosen group. That is the entire discussion. As the GoG A-List has been hinted at and revealed throughout the whole thread.
I totally missed posts by the 6 that told us on or hinted at who were the ones who were invited and didn't come.
Could anybody link me to those?

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RWarehall: That ordinary users given a special invite are now privy to private conversations involving other users.
GOG Partners can be given by GOG information that ordinary users don't have. The 6 are GOG Partners and were given information.
As long as they don't break their NDA it's all OK.

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RWarehall: GoG should have realised that it was a bad idea mentioning names like that to the chosen group because they wouldn't be responsible enough not to blab.
To me it sounds overall in your posts like you're not satisfied with who the 6 are who were invited and could go. Maybe you would have wished that others had gone, maybe you would have liked to be one of those.
I would say it's totally GOG's business if and whom they invite to a tour. It's just their right as a private business owner. What else can anyone argue?

Anyway the only important question I would have asked them is if they ever going to get AAA games from the past or present in a noteworthy amount here? Because I actually don't remember anymore having been thrilled by a release here. Must have been at least a year ago last time and I seriously miss this feeling. If anything this is the biggest flaw of GOG for me right now.

Equation is rather simple. They release - I buy. They don't release - I forget about them. No need for a personal visit to convey the message, they should already know by now upon inspection of the payment history.
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Piranjade: snip
Quite frankly, I joined the discussion because I didn't like the way HypersomniacLive had his concerns about privacy being dismissed. I think he has a valid concern. If you don't have a problem with GoG sharing the content of your correspondence with other users without your permission, that's fine for you, but that doesn't make it fine for everyone else.

I see no valid reason why GoG should be sharing information like that about other users without those users expressly giving their permission beforehand. What other information are they cavalierly sharing with other users?

They aren't partners! GoG is using that as a legalistic catchall in their NDA to cover them in the event the visitors saw something they shouldn't have while they were there. A couple jobs I've had required similar NDAs of anyone walking through whether they be auditors, clients visiting and walking through our facility or people inspecting the fire alarms. That didn't mean we were talking about our other clients and telling our visitors about the other clients' business.

But thank you so much for piling on and questioning my motives. Why don't you go and downrep every one of my posts like so many others have too. Because it makes all of you so manly by pressing the downrep button when someone has an opinion that is other than your own. They just go and show what a shithole the GoG forums are...
Post edited October 16, 2017 by RWarehall
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RWarehall: Quite frankly, I joined the discussion because I didn't like the way HypersomniacLive had his concerns about privacy being dismissed. I think he has a valid concern. If you don't have a problem with GoG sharing the content of your correspondence with other users without your permission, that's fine for you, but that doesn't make it fine for everyone else.
They didn't share it with just "other users" but with people who signed the partner agreement and an NDA. That does make a difference.

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RWarehall: I see no valid reason why GoG should be sharing information like that about other users without those users expressly giving their permission beforehand. What other information are they cavalierly sharing with other users?
Again, "partners", not just other users.

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RWarehall: They aren't partners! GoG is using that as a legalistic catchall in their NDA to cover them in the event the visitors saw something they shouldn't have while they were there.
They signed the partner agreement, they are partners. It changes their legal status. You might not respect that, but it is a fact.

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RWarehall: But thank you so much for piling on and questioning my motives. Why don't you go and downrep every one of my posts like so many others have too. Because it makes all of you so manly by pressing the downrep button when someone has an opinion that is other than your own. They just go and show what a shithole the GoG forums are...
Do you feel attacked because I said that I got the impression that you weren't satisfied with who went to GOG?
Or because I asked for quotes of where people's identity (those who were invited but didn't come) were revealed, as you claimed.
You haven't been forthcoming with those.
My manliness is totally fine, no worries, I don't downrep stuff like this. :D

And in case it isn't known here: I also have an NDA and a partner agreement with GOG.
Because of the Twitch channel and affiliate program.
Post edited October 16, 2017 by Piranjade
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Piranjade: snip
First, I don't care who was invited. As to the hints to people's identities, I don't want to go there. But some people said enough about circumstances, nationalities, and attitudes, that it isn't that hard for any forum regular to narrow it down to specific users.

As to "partners", I don't think it makes a difference. You are a perfect example. You have a Twitch channel. I don't believe GoG should be sharing any personal information about me, my chat conversations, my support tickets, E-mail correspondence or anything else of the like with you. Because you have no good reason to have it. I really don't care if you are a "partner" and signed an NDA, it's none of your business.

So yeah, you are just another user, just like them, in terms of how my privacy should be handled. Sorry, but I feel my personal information should be protected from you, NDA be damned. But the fact that people just being offered a trip feel special and entitled enough that they have a right to invade other user's privacy is even more concerning. Makes one wonder how many other pseudo-partners have access to my personal information.
Post edited October 16, 2017 by RWarehall
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tfishell: Let's be real, some people are just never going to agree with other people about certain things. Obviously the only solution to kill everyone everywhere.
Can't kill me, man. I'm already dead inside ;(
I didn't know that you 6 also became "partners". O_o
Then, you don't classify as normal users anymore (=completely independent).

IMO, it would be better if such users had special accounts (e.g: marked with a color like the devs' ones).
Post edited October 16, 2017 by phaolo
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RWarehall: As to "partners", I don't think it makes a difference. You are a perfect example. You have a Twitch channel. I don't believe GoG should be sharing any personal information about me, my chat conversations, my support tickets, E-mail correspondence or anything else of the like with you. Because you have no good reason to have it. I really don't care if you are a "partner" and signed an NDA, it's none of your business.

So yeah, you are just another user, just like them, in terms of how my privacy should be handled. Sorry, but I feel my personal information should be protected from you, NDA be damned. But the fact that people just being offered a trip feel special and entitled enough that they have a right to invade other user's privacy is even more concerning. Makes one wonder how many other pseudo-partners have access to my personal information.
Unfortunately, as JMich pointed out earlier, the User Agreement and Privacy Policy have GOG (and probably every other website ever) covered on that front.
I'm fairly sure they're not sharing your details with Partners like Piranjade or other Twitch streamers, but according to the User Agreement we all agree to by being customers and having accounts it is within GOG's rights to.
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phaolo: I didn't know that you 6 also became "partners". O_o
Then, you don't classify as normal users anymore (=completely independent).

IMO, it would be better if such users had special accounts (e.g: marked with a color like the devs' ones).
In that case everyone who steams on Twitch for GOG or has done other work for GOG would probably need similar account markings...
Post edited October 16, 2017 by adaliabooks