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Posted June 21, 2019
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sanscript: A18: As DadJoke Bond wrote, it's actually scary. UK have for many years now shown a complete tendency towards fascism and the road to to thought policing is relatively near... "encouraging terrorism" is such a loose term.
imo it's the opposite of fascism (which was an extreme form of nationalism)...more like immigration and increased ethnic and religious diversity have led to severe tensions in Britain. Those in power are clearly afraid that the situation might spiral out of control, if one doesn't keep a tight lid on things, so there's this increasing authoritarianism.
Same in much of western Europe.
That being said, the guy who posted that pic about prince Harry is a scumbag, and while his punishment was excessive imo, he did deserve some punishment. Threatening murder is not ok.
Posted June 22, 2019
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sanscript: A bit late but I'll try anyway.

A18: As DadJoke Bond wrote, it's actually scary. UK have for many years now shown a complete tendency towards fascism and the road to to thought policing is relatively near... "encouraging terrorism" is such a loose term.

Everything from opinions, humour, and art is subject for overzealous control, not to mention (think it was from ArsTecnica or something), UK has one the largest state surveillance system in the world (perhaps only surpassed by China?)

The need to protect oneself seem to backfire into just more control and policing every minute thing... As far as I know he didn't even get a warning and now he's life is essentially ruined because of his jail time. Well, his list of options gets rather small when he gets out.

I wonder how many years away we are from a full conflict again, not unlike the 1789 where normal people were simply fed up with status quo.

Perhaps he should hear/fell some sort of public "reprimand" ala being locked out of social media, or some sort of state service where you work off your sentence and not putting it on the record, but jail?

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GameRager: Also falster: I hope the low ratings others gave you didn't scare you away....they do that to anyone who posts nicely in my threads. Pay it no mind, and I hope you return to post again with insight and replies to the things I bring up. :)
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sanscript: For some reason (I think why) I was targeted for the first time just a few hours after my thoughts on A17... My inner vioce told me that I should be prepared for that, but the thing I don't understand is that it varies very highly who/what get low rated... like a tug-war :)
1. This is all good points, and yeah the dude should've gotten a reprimand first...but UK's gotta make a point and an example, sadly.

Some bloke who didn't want to be on the new face scanners that they were trialing in the UK covered his face as he walked by them and the cops pulled him over......when he told the to "F Off" they gave him a 90 euro fine(or 90 pounds, i forget which) for his trouble. :\

2. True, but it seems anyone who adds actual discussion to these threads gets downrated like a virtual warning: "Don't you dare associate with that GR chap".....etc. It's like they can't stand people actually liking what I post or wanting to post back more than silly pictures and joke replies.

Oh well, pay it no mind and thanks for adding to the discussion. :)

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sanscript: A18: As DadJoke Bond wrote, it's actually scary. UK have for many years now shown a complete tendency towards fascism and the road to to thought policing is relatively near... "encouraging terrorism" is such a loose term.
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morolf: imo it's the opposite of fascism (which was an extreme form of nationalism)...more like immigration and increased ethnic and religious diversity have led to severe tensions in Britain. Those in power are clearly afraid that the situation might spiral out of control, if one doesn't keep a tight lid on things, so there's this increasing authoritarianism.
Same in much of western Europe.
That being said, the guy who posted that pic about prince Harry is a scumbag, and while his punishment was excessive imo, he did deserve some punishment. Threatening murder is not ok.
The situation is spiralin out of control already by them allowing anyone and everyone in without much checking and allowing them to get away with a ton of stuff without jail/etc for fear of offending them or others. They should just say something like "No offense intended, but we have to enforce these laws on our books across the board irregardless of a person's nationality/religion/race/etc...nothing personal intended....etc" and police people as they should be doing.

Also yeah he should be punished but as I said not to such an extent...on that we agree.
Post edited June 22, 2019 by GameRager
Posted July 07, 2019
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Article 20- Starbucks kicks police out of store because ONE PERSON felt unsafe around cops

Looking at this and the recent ruling that some(maybe all) starbucks must allow ANYONE in them even WITHOUT A PURCHASE, I can see this as a clustertruck waiting to happen.

I mean who do they call when they want the cops kicked out? Other cops? SUPERCOPS? The army perhaps?

Also how do they kick COPS out of their store without said cops getting arrest happy?

And what happens if someone needs cop's aid someday and someone in the store doesn't want them coming in to offer aid?

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Posted July 07, 2019
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Article 21- Student EXPELLED for daring to say in school there are only 2 genders

Warning/advisory: Clip shows articles from Fox News(iirc) and other sites some might not like...ALSO the youtuber goes off into politics/talking about the little mermaid around 8 minutes or so so if you don't like that stuff cut it off around then.
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This one will likely get me some flak, but if the kid/teen truly believed it and wasn't trying to harm anyone physically/mentally while saying it then they shouldn't have been expelled imo.....maybe given a warning by the sensitivity counselor/officer or whomever that school employs for such matters, but not an expulsion.

Now the kid/teen has to change schools and people will know what he did through social media most likely so it'll follow him around for life.

Apparently scientific fact(thought to be fair he should've said there are only 2 SEXES, as that is correct and not what he said) is bad nowadays & stating such is akin to burning supposed witches or hanging people. :\

Addition: In the vid it is stated that when he recorded the teacher berating him(for legal reasons) he was violating school rules & he got a suspensions from it, and then when at a meeting about the issue they told him if he TALKED TO THE PRESS HE WOULD BE PUNISHED EVEN MORE. To me that sounds like coercion and censorship.
Post edited July 07, 2019 by GameRager
Posted July 07, 2019
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GameRager: Addition: In the vid it is stated that when he recorded the teacher berating him(for legal reasons) he was violating school rules & he got a suspensions from it, and then when at a meeting about the issue they told him if he TALKED TO THE PRESS HE WOULD BE PUNISHED EVEN MORE. To me that sounds like coercion and censorship.
Anyone who thinks that school is about learning, discussion and exchanging ideas should think twice. It's a place for kids to learn to submit and accept the current values of the sitting government. The only thing that has been different is the values, it's just more blatantly obvious now because more people oppose the current values than before.

Might as well throw public schooling on the garbage pile, mandatory schooling where parents don't have a say in what values are passed down to their kids is immoral and rotten to the core. The state shouldn't be able to confiscate and raise our kids for us huge chunks of the year whether we like it or not.

Glad to see cops treated unjustly though, some ironic justice in that.
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Posted July 07, 2019
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GameRager: Addition: In the vid it is stated that when he recorded the teacher berating him(for legal reasons) he was violating school rules & he got a suspensions from it, and then when at a meeting about the issue they told him if he TALKED TO THE PRESS HE WOULD BE PUNISHED EVEN MORE. To me that sounds like coercion and censorship.
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DadJoke007: Anyone who thinks that school is about learning, discussion and exchanging ideas should think twice. It's a place for kids to learn to submit and accept the current values of the sitting government. The only thing that has been different is the values, it's just more blatantly obvious now because more people oppose the current values than before.

Glad to see cops treated unjustly though, some ironic justice in that.
Beyond the politics talk(which I agree with btw) this is a good post, so thanks for adding to the thread.

But yeah you are right, sadly, with regards to schools....universities moreso, if what I see on youtube/news sites is any indicator.

Also schools are there to teach new generations how to listen to ANY authority including bosses at jobs, and to submit to being used to the 9-5 "factory" system(which is what schools were originally setup to emulate during the last century or so....public ones that is...what with the bells marking periods/classes/end and start of the day/lunch/etc, and other factors).
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Posted July 07, 2019
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DadJoke007: Anyone who thinks that school is about learning, discussion and exchanging ideas should think twice. It's a place for kids to learn to submit and accept the current values of the sitting government. The only thing that has been different is the values, it's just more blatantly obvious now because more people oppose the current values than before.

Glad to see cops treated unjustly though, some ironic justice in that.
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GameRager: Beyond the politics talk(which I agree with btw) this is a good post, so thanks for adding to the thread.

But yeah you are right, sadly, with regards to schools....universities moreso, if what I see on youtube/news sites is any indicator.

Also schools are there to teach new generations how to listen to ANY authority including bosses at jobs, and to submit to being used to the 9-5 "factory" system(which is what schools were originally setup to emulate during the last century or so....public ones that is...what with the bells marking periods/classes/end and start of the day/lunch/etc, and other factors).
Hard to criticize schooling and putting the finger on the core of the problem without it being perceived as political. The subject itself is the result of insane political decisions.
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Posted July 07, 2019
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GameRager: Article 21- Student EXPELLED for daring to say in school there are only 2 genders

Addition: In the vid it is stated that when he recorded the teacher berating him(for legal reasons) he was violating school rules & he got a suspensions from it, and then when at a meeting about the issue they told him if he TALKED TO THE PRESS HE WOULD BE PUNISHED EVEN MORE. To me that sounds like coercion and censorship.
There are two conflicting statements in your post.

1. [copy] Student EXPELLED for daring to say in school there are only 2 genders
2. [copy] he was violating school rules & he got a suspensions from it [by posting the vid online without consent, my addition]

Which one is it?
Posted July 07, 2019
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GameRager: Beyond the politics talk(which I agree with btw) this is a good post, so thanks for adding to the thread.

But yeah you are right, sadly, with regards to schools....universities moreso, if what I see on youtube/news sites is any indicator.

Also schools are there to teach new generations how to listen to ANY authority including bosses at jobs, and to submit to being used to the 9-5 "factory" system(which is what schools were originally setup to emulate during the last century or so....public ones that is...what with the bells marking periods/classes/end and start of the day/lunch/etc, and other factors).
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DadJoke007: Hard to criticize schooling and putting the finger on the core of the problem without it being perceived as political. The subject itself is the result of insane political decisions.
Maybe, but I try to keep a focus on the issues presented for the most part to appease people here and the staff as well.

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GameRager: Article 21- Student EXPELLED for daring to say in school there are only 2 genders

Addition: In the vid it is stated that when he recorded the teacher berating him(for legal reasons) he was violating school rules & he got a suspensions from it, and then when at a meeting about the issue they told him if he TALKED TO THE PRESS HE WOULD BE PUNISHED EVEN MORE. To me that sounds like coercion and censorship.
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StarChan: There are two conflicting statements in your post.

1. [copy] Student EXPELLED for daring to say in school there are only 2 genders
2. [copy] he was violating school rules & he got a suspensions from it [by posting the vid online without consent, my addition]

Which one is it?
Both. They expelled him for the initial/original "charge" of saying there are only two genders, and also because of the fallout from the video he recorded going viral. In the end the video going viral led to the punishment being escalated but the initial thing he did was what led to the final punishment.

Addition: If he posted the video online without consent this should not be a problem. He recorded it in a public school(which is public property iirc) and the teacher didn't say they didn't wish to be recorded so imo what he did with the recording(showing it online to gather support/witnesses or giving it to lawyers/police) is alright in my book.

(Also thanks for adding to the thread)
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Posted July 07, 2019
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DadJoke007: Hard to criticize schooling and putting the finger on the core of the problem without it being perceived as political. The subject itself is the result of insane political decisions.
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GameRager: Maybe, but I try to keep a focus on the issues presented for the most part to appease people here and the staff as well.

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StarChan: There are two conflicting statements in your post.

1. [copy] Student EXPELLED for daring to say in school there are only 2 genders
2. [copy] he was violating school rules & he got a suspensions from it [by posting the vid online without consent, my addition]

Which one is it?
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GameRager: Both. They expelled him for the initial/original "charge" of saying there are only two genders, and also because of the fallout from the video he recorded going viral. In the end the video going viral led to the punishment being escalated but the initial thing he did was what led to the final punishment.

Addition: If he posted the video online without consent this should not be a problem. He recorded it in a public school(which is public property iirc) and the teacher didn't say they didn't wish to be recorded so imo what he did with the recording(showing it online to gather support/witnesses or giving it to lawyers/police) is alright in my book.

(Also thanks for adding to the thread)
Posting the video online is a problem if it is against school rules. You may opine that schools are public areas, but I'm afraid your opinion doesn't change the fact that within organizatins, public or otherwise, the breach of rules have repercussions.

I find the claims that you make or refer to (punished for both the above reasons, being threatened with further actions) hard to substantiate by online searches. How do you quality check your information? Do you go beyond YouTube vids and Fox News?
Posted July 07, 2019
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StarChan: Posting the video online is a problem if it is against school rules. You may opine that schools are public areas, but I'm afraid your opinion doesn't change the fact that within organizatins, public or otherwise, the breach of rules have repercussions.

I find the claims that you make or refer to (punished for both the above reasons, being threatened with further actions) hard to substantiate by online searches. How do you quality check your information? Do you go beyond YouTube vids and Fox News?
1. He did get punished for that video being posted, though...hence the initial suspension. They then told him not to talk to the press or risk further punishment and he then got an extension on that suspension and then expelled even though he listened to them(when he didn't legally have to).

Also tbh if someone doesn't want video posted online they shouldn't allow someone to record them. Once a person records them they should be able to post it wherever they please(with a few exceptions).

2. I use other sites like yahoo/etc and the stuff they link to for the most part(In this case I switched to using Timcast as he is usually good/fair when reporting things). As for fact checking I usually check to make sure the story(the basic facts) are true and then I post a post about it, so I do do some fact checking.

If others want to reverify what I already found out or look into the issues posted that is up to them if they want to do so.

(Also if one thinks about it: Why else would they give him additional punishment[first another suspension then expulsion] for merely posting a video online? To me the claim that he was expelled due to fallout from the initial gender controversy seems to be very accurate and believable on today's social climate, especially given what we can verify for certain in this instance.)
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Posted July 07, 2019
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I can't believe this famous soundbite hasn't been posted yet.
Posted July 07, 2019
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GameRager: This one will likely get me some flak, but if the kid/teen truly believed it and wasn't trying to harm anyone physically/mentally while saying it then they shouldn't have been expelled imo.....maybe given a warning by the sensitivity counselor/officer or whomever that school employs for such matters, but not an expulsion.
This is how it was started, step by step, overtone window.

Soon you will be expelled from GB school if you deny that pedophilia is healthy. Mark it.
Posted July 07, 2019
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StarChan: Posting the video online is a problem if it is against school rules. You may opine that schools are public areas, but I'm afraid your opinion doesn't change the fact that within organizatins, public or otherwise, the breach of rules have repercussions.
Laws and rules are only relevant when they make sense and people honor them because of that, it's not an argument in itself. In that case, he got expelled for filming unjust bullcrap that's morally far worse than breaking the rule that exposes such unjust bullcrap.

Good thing the kid brought insight to what's happening in public schools, he's on the moral high ground here. Rules made up by the school (or possibly higher up) to protect the school with him or not.
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Posted July 07, 2019
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StarChan: Posting the video online is a problem if it is against school rules. You may opine that schools are public areas, but I'm afraid your opinion doesn't change the fact that within organizatins, public or otherwise, the breach of rules have repercussions.

I find the claims that you make or refer to (punished for both the above reasons, being threatened with further actions) hard to substantiate by online searches. How do you quality check your information? Do you go beyond YouTube vids and Fox News?
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GameRager: 1. He did get punished for that video being posted, though...hence the initial suspension. They then told him not to talk to the press or risk further punishment and he then got expelled even though he listened to them(when he didn't legally have to).

Also tbh if someone doesn't want video posted online they shouldn't allow someone to record them. Once a person records them they should be able tpost it wherever they please(with a few exceptions).

2. I use other sites like yahoo/etc and the stuff they link to for the most part(In this case I switched to using Timcast as he is usually good/fair when reporting things). As for fact checking I usually check to make sure the story(the basic facts) are true and then I post a post about it, so I do do some fact checking.

If others want to reverify what I already found out or look into the issues posted that is up to them if they want to do so.

(Also if one thinks about it: Why else would they give him additional punishment[first another suspension then expulsion] for merely posting a video online? To me the claim that he was expelled due to fallout from the initial gender controversy seems to be very accurate and believable on today's social climate, especially given what we can verify for certain in this instance.)
It is unlikely that he realizes he is being filmed. Check the camera angle.

I cannot find any reliable sources which confirm that he was punished for more than posting the vid. You also should be aware that a similar episode occured in 2018 at a scool in the US, and that this new version probably is a carefully planned attempt at copying that, aiming at creating controversy. The lack of substantiation combined with somebody's desire to keep the flames fanned, should raise a red flag when it comes to the reliability of claims made.

British newspaper The Independent has given this story some coverage, and their conclusion at the end of their article is rather more sober:

'It is understood the student has been disciplined for posting the video footage online - not for his actions within the video. '
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