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Tracido: Um, look, if you're a real fan, you would remember, how much they went the extra MILE in Witcher 2, for us as an ADULT audience, re-submitting the sex scenes around 50 times to get an M rating but keep as much content as possible.. Clearly, that's not how this went down this time.
Um, look, if you're a real fan, why would you want CDPR to waste a substantial amount of time and money censoring the same game 50 times, when they've already done the same mistake in the past? There is not a single company in the world who would like to go through the same shit, much less repeatedly.

As it is, Cyberpunk 2077 already provides far more mature content than most commercial AAA games do, so I really don't see what you guys are all whining about. All I see is people being unreasonable. If The Witcher 3 had sex scenes with underage children, which then had to be removed, would you still be complaining about Cyberpunk 2077 never including those in the first place? Of course not, as that would be unreasonable. Instead of complaining to a game developer for adhering to established rules, you should be complaining to society about their warped moral perception (such as accepting extreme violence over simple acts of love or nudity).

If you're so insistent on playing adult games, there's always Japanese porn games. There's no shortage of those, really.
Post edited January 09, 2021 by s1drano
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Tracido: Um, look, if you're a real fan, you would remember, how much they went the extra MILE in Witcher 2, for us as an ADULT audience, re-submitting the sex scenes around 50 times to get an M rating but keep as much content as possible.. Clearly, that's not how this went down this time.
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s1drano: Um, look, if you're a real fan, why would you want CDPR to waste a substantial amount of time and money censoring the same game 50 times, when they've already done the same mistake in the past? There is not a single company in the world who would like to go through the same shit, much less repeatedly.

As it is, Cyberpunk 2077 already provides far more mature content than most commercial AAA games do, so I really don't see what you guys are all whining about. All I see is people being unreasonable. If The Witcher 3 had sex scenes with underage children, which then had to be removed, would you still be complaining about Cyberpunk 2077 never including those in the first place? Of course not, as that would be unreasonable. Instead of complaining to a game developer for adhering to established rules, you should be complaining to society about their warped moral perception (such as accepting extreme violence over simple acts of love or nudity).

If you're so insistent on playing adult games, there's always Japanese porn games. There's no shortage of those, really.
Right, because, everything that is adult is porn, good to know what crowd you are..

Furthermore, they haven't learned a single thing, with this launch, not even with AI, let alone with keeping their word, adult content is the LAST of their worries..

https://youtu.be/MGt7J70q3Bw Like all the missing and cut content.

And that amazing AI.. https://youtu.be/aduNStxngD8
Post edited January 09, 2021 by Tracido
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Tracido: Right, because, everything that is adult is porn, good to know what crowd you are..
Last I checked, this whole thread was about censorship of sexual content. But it's good to know you're just trolling. It means I can now ignore you.

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Tracido: Furthermore, they haven't learned a single thing, with this launch, not even with AI, let alone with keeping their word, adult content is the LAST of their worries..
Yes, there are plenty of things to complain about in this game that are far more important than "censorship", but that's not what we're arguing about here.
I find it particularity funny that:
- there are just 2 post directly related to the OP question.
- there is 30 post of "opinion snow ball fight" about straw man argument of censorship
- of those 2 on-topic post, only 1 is actually answering and other is just building another straw man of poor texture quality


Yet reality is that:
- quality of textures is ok, it just depends on what you run the game on
- only difference is text, but they are used in the same context so that is hardly a censorship


But I guess some people just want to promote their own views and wont let reality stop them.
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If that's censorship, then it's really half-assed considering you can carry around a naked dead chick if you really want to.

I would have thought that if anything were "censorship", then that would be the fact that there is a distinct lack of naked strippers - whether in clubs or windows, they're almost always (or always?) fully clothed.

However, judging by the state of this game on release, it's probably more the case that they had to prioritize things for release, and I guess whoever was supposed to be working on titties and other naked bits was probably reallocated to stopping dead bodies from embedding themselves in the pavement or something.

Also those sex scenes - not sure we'd gain much by them being more explicit, apart from increasing the comedy factor. At least they're not lovey-dovey cringe material like most media, so there's that at least. IMO the way to "improve" these is to head in the direction of similar scenes in Team America... ;)
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Tracido: Right, because, everything that is adult is porn, good to know what crowd you are..
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s1drano: Last I checked, this whole thread was about censorship of sexual content. But it's good to know you're just trolling. It means I can now ignore you.

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Tracido: Furthermore, they haven't learned a single thing, with this launch, not even with AI, let alone with keeping their word, adult content is the LAST of their worries..
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s1drano: Yes, there are plenty of things to complain about in this game that are far more important than "censorship", but that's not what we're arguing about here.
No fanatic puritan, you brought up porn and that it's the only alternative, not me.

The censorship was done stupidly, haphazardly, and intentionally, and it's another lie from CDPR, which your fanatic puritan self defends as lessons, learned, lies.
Post edited January 09, 2021 by Tracido
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ast486: Yup.

Some stuff in censored, some not... no idea why anything is. :-o
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s1drano: Occam's razor: "the simplest explanation is usually the right one."
Maybe there is no censorship. That'd be the simplest explanation for why some stuff is "censored" and some isn't.

The Witcher didn't portray penetration in its sex scenes either, and nobody cried "censorship" back then. Why should Cyberpunk 2077 be any different?
Because Witcher those cutscenes are done 10 times better than in this game. They are done like you would expect in a soft erotica under 17 movie - things showing but not too much, people acting natural etc. Here they are ridiculous vs that - participants are often dressed (no time to undress?) or the whole thing is covered in ugly green tint (hello Panam, my sole straight male companion). One scene - ONE - in the whole game is done like I would expect them all to be done - and that's Alt Cunningham and Johnny. Nothing to do with your protagonist or what he can achieve in the game.

I don't understand why people keep on bringing "penetration" and "porn" into these discussions. Nobody is expecting porn or penetration. No, we don't want Hentai games or hardcore porn in Cyberpunk. Just tasteful depiction of intimacy - or just bloody take it out altogether, replace it with Witcher 1 style cards or nothing at all.
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squid830: If that's censorship, then it's really half-assed considering you can carry around a naked dead chick if you really want to.

I would have thought that if anything were "censorship", then that would be the fact that there is a distinct lack of naked strippers - whether in clubs or windows, they're almost always (or always?) fully clothed.

However, judging by the state of this game on release, it's probably more the case that they had to prioritize things for release, and I guess whoever was supposed to be working on titties and other naked bits was probably reallocated to stopping dead bodies from embedding themselves in the pavement or something.
Yes, you can carry around one dead naked chick - sole reason probably being because she was shown in 25 pre-launch trailer videos. She is the only one in the whole game - in its big wide mature world.

You've mentioned the strippers / hookers - they look hilarious in this game. I don't think this was due to lack of time - more due to last minute knee jerk design decisions.
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Tracido: No fanatic puritan, you brought up porn
Trollcido, if I was a puritan, those Japanese porn games I mentioned would belong to a fully legitimate genre of video games that anybody could pick up at the local Walmart or something.

Besides, OP clearly complained about the censorship of the text "JOYBOY" and "JOYGIRL", also known as prostitutes. Notice how the very same screenshot they uploaded also contained the word "MEALS", yet nobody seems to care about that particular word. This is an obvious complaint about censorship of sexual content, which, by definition is pornographic:

por·nog·ra·phy (pôr-nŏg′rə-fē)
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1. Sexually explicit writing, images, video, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
You claim to be from the United States, surely I don't need to teach you your own native language, do I?

It was also a very poor attempt at finding "censorship" where there is none. The game has plenty of NPCs clearly labelled with "JOYBOY" or "JOYGIRL".

Now, since you guys clearly have a very... unique... sense of logic, mind explaining why exactly CDPR would choose to "censor" some very obscure text on vending machines most people probably won't be paying attention to, instead of censoring the same text floating in an extremely obvious and prominent manner above NPC heads?

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Tracido: and that it's the only alternative, not me.
Black-or-white fallacy. I presented porn as *one* alternative, not as "the only one".

But you're free to quote the part where I presented porn as the only possible alternative. Go on, I'm waiting.

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s1drano: Occam's razor: "the simplest explanation is usually the right one."
Maybe there is no censorship. That'd be the simplest explanation for why some stuff is "censored" and some isn't.

The Witcher didn't portray penetration in its sex scenes either, and nobody cried "censorship" back then. Why should Cyberpunk 2077 be any different?
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midrand: Because Witcher those cutscenes are done 10 times better than in this game.
Seriously, that's your argument?

As a game, Cyberpunk 2077 generally isn't as good as The Witcher. Does that mean the gameplay was somehow "censored", too? Interesting logic you have there.

For reference, here's the definition of censor:

UK
to remove anything offensive from books, films, etc., or to remove parts considered unsuitable from private letters, especially ones sent during war or from a prison:

- The book was heavily censored when first published.

US
to remove parts of something, such as a book, movie, or letter, that you do not want someone to see or hear:

- She opposes efforts to censor the Internet.
I'm sure better gameplay would've been soooo offensive to some folk. Or maybe CDPR thinks "better gameplay" should remain a trade secret? Ooh, the conspiracies are writing themselves!

Jokes aside, you guys really need to calm down and start using those brains of yours. Unlike V, yours aren't melting through your noses and ears. So what's your excuse?


PS: It's pretty ironic how the ones demanding (more) adult content also happen to be the most immature on this thread... Are you sure you should be playing this game? I mean, REALLY sure?
Post edited January 09, 2021 by s1drano
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ast486: Yup.

Some stuff in censored, some not... no idea why anything is. :-o
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FTSO: This is something that I wonder, how long to become pixelated too. I truly love the TV ads, the talk show, the banners, they are great.
yeah it is really atmospheric.... very realistic.

My best guess.... is they are trying to vastly cut down on texture sizes.
If that's true, every add will end up like that.

Though having textures less then 1k on pc is kind of stupid. :-o
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Tracido: No fanatic puritan, you brought up porn
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s1drano: Trollcido, if I was a puritan, those Japanese porn games I mentioned would belong to a fully legitimate genre of video games that anybody could pick up at the local Walmart or something.

Besides, OP clearly complained about the censorship of the text "JOYBOY" and "JOYGIRL", also known as prostitutes. Notice how the very same screenshot they uploaded also contained the word "MEALS", yet nobody seems to care about that particular word. This is an obvious complaint about censorship of sexual content, which, by definition is pornographic:

por·nog·ra·phy (pôr-nŏg′rə-fē)
n.
1. Sexually explicit writing, images, video, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
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s1drano: You claim to be from the United States, surely I don't need to teach you your own native language, do I?

It was also a very poor attempt at finding "censorship" where there is none. The game has plenty of NPCs clearly labelled with "JOYBOY" or "JOYGIRL".

Now, since you guys clearly have a very... unique... sense of logic, mind explaining why exactly CDPR would choose to "censor" some very obscure text on vending machines most people probably won't be paying attention to, instead of censoring the same text floating in an extremely obvious and prominent manner above NPC heads?

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Tracido: and that it's the only alternative, not me.
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s1drano: Black-or-white fallacy. I presented porn as *one* alternative, not as "the only one".

But you're free to quote the part where I presented porn as the only possible alternative. Go on, I'm waiting.
Trolldraino If you weren't a puritan, it wouldn't be turning you on so much you need to go immediately to something only designed to get one off.

No one knows the censorship, because, it's not documented, anywhere, and DISCUSSION of it is BANNED officially the place it would be asked.

Again, you're the one getting aroused by sexuality alongside something else, and only think pure sexuality is what everyone wants. That's your fallacy, not mine.
Post edited January 10, 2021 by Tracido
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squid830: If that's censorship, then it's really half-assed considering you can carry around a naked dead chick if you really want to.

I would have thought that if anything were "censorship", then that would be the fact that there is a distinct lack of naked strippers - whether in clubs or windows, they're almost always (or always?) fully clothed.

However, judging by the state of this game on release, it's probably more the case that they had to prioritize things for release, and I guess whoever was supposed to be working on titties and other naked bits was probably reallocated to stopping dead bodies from embedding themselves in the pavement or something.
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midrand: Yes, you can carry around one dead naked chick - sole reason probably being because she was shown in 25 pre-launch trailer videos. She is the only one in the whole game - in its big wide mature world.

You've mentioned the strippers / hookers - they look hilarious in this game. I don't think this was due to lack of time - more due to last minute knee jerk design decisions.
But surely a knee-jerk reaction in the direction of censorship would include something as obvious as naked schlongs during character creation?

Surely removing the "genitals" option would be a really easy fix, especially since it doesn't exactly add anything to the game, unless you're planning to run around naked turkey-slapping people. So the fact that naked schlongs exist in character creation makes me doubt that censorship was the reason the strippers are clothed - I'm still betting on it being they ran out of time to sort them out properly.

Also, I'm pretty sure she's not the only one - though you probably can't carry the others around (I haven't tried), there are other places where one sees naked dead chicks (technically the first one isn't dead).
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Tracido: Trolldraino If you weren't a puritan, it wouldn't be turning you on so much you need to go immediately to something only designed to get one off.
I thought I didn't need to teach you your own native language, but it seems you're especially stupid, so:
Puritan:

someone who believes that it is important to work hard and control yourself, and that pleasure is wrong or unnecessary
If either of us were puritans, we wouldn't even be here arguing in the first place.

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Tracido: No one knows the censorship, because, it's not documented, anywhere, and DISCUSSION of it is BANNED officially the place it would be asked.
And that's why this thread exists: to discuss whether this game has been censored or not. Someone thinks they've found proof, and that "proof" turned out to be bogus, as I have shown.

If you think you have anything meaningful to add to this discussion, please do. As of now, you're just trolling around.
So you were temporarily banned on some discussion forum? Oh, boohoo, poor you. Judging by your behavior on this forum, I can see why they did that. Now you're hijacking another's thread to complain about something completely unrelated, and trying real desperately to get a rise out of other community members for your own pitiful little satisfaction. Looks like you've learned nothing from your previous ban. Wouldn't surprise me if you got hit by another one.

Let me take back what I had said earlier about adult content and Japanese porn games:
If you're so insistent on playing adult games, grow up first. You're way too immature for any of that.

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Tracido: Again, you're the one getting aroused by sexuality alongside something else, and only think pure sexuality is what everyone wants. That's your fallacy, not mine.
So first I'm a puritan, then I get aroused by sexuality?

For the last time, Trollcido, this thread is about the censorship of sexual content in this game. You want to argue about better gameplay, better story, more meaningful decisions, less bugs? Create your own damn thread.
Post edited January 10, 2021 by s1drano
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Tracido: Trolldraino If you weren't a puritan, it wouldn't be turning you on so much you need to go immediately to something only designed to get one off.
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s1drano: I thought I didn't need to teach you your own native language, but it seems you're especially stupid, so:
Puritan:

someone who believes that it is important to work hard and control yourself, and that pleasure is wrong or unnecessary
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s1drano: If either of us were puritans, we wouldn't even be here arguing in the first place.

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Tracido: No one knows the censorship, because, it's not documented, anywhere, and DISCUSSION of it is BANNED officially the place it would be asked.
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s1drano: And that's why this thread exists: to discuss whether this game has been censored or not. Someone thinks they've found proof, and that "proof" turned out to be bogus, as I have shown.

If you think you have anything meaningful to add to this discussion, please do. As of now, you're just trolling around.
So you were temporarily banned on some discussion forum? Oh, boohoo, poor you. Judging by your behavior on this forum, I can see why they did that. Now you're hijacking another's thread to complain about something completely unrelated, and trying real desperately to get a rise out of other community members for your own pitiful little satisfaction. Looks like you've learned nothing from your previous ban. Wouldn't surprise me if you got hit by another one.

Let me take back what I had said earlier about adult content and Japanese porn games:
If you're so insistent on playing adult games, grow up first. You're way too immature for any of that.

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Tracido: Again, you're the one getting aroused by sexuality alongside something else, and only think pure sexuality is what everyone wants. That's your fallacy, not mine.
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s1drano: So first I'm a puritan, then I get aroused by sexuality?

For the last time, Trollcido, this thread is about the censorship of sexual content in this game. You want to argue about better gameplay, better story, more meaningful decisions, less bugs? Create your own damn thread.
Of course you would, nothing would serve you better than to limit any idea of art. You used to be all over the original WItcher 2 forums demanding the game have content cut. Since the violence is ok.

For the last time Trolldraino, it is not, the words aren't directly sexual, nudity isn't directly sexual, yet in several instances, it's censored. So, again, take your agenda and shove it.
Post edited January 10, 2021 by Tracido
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Tracido: You used to be all over the original WItcher 2 forums demanding the game have content cut. Since the violence is ok.
I was never active on any Witcher 2 forums, since I haven't played the game. Nice try though, Trollcido.

How old are you to make up such an obvious lie, 6? Are you really sure you should be playing Cyberpunk?

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Tracido: For the last time Trolldraino, it is not, the words aren't directly sexual
Yes it is. The words describe prostitutes:

a person who has sex with someone for money
This is directly sexual.

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Tracido: nudity isn't directly sexual
Non sequitur.

"Nudity" simply came up as yet another thing that was supposedly "censored", to which I provided screenshots with explicit nudity as counter proof.

Speaking of proof. So far, you've made only claims without any kind of proof for support. You don't even provide a source for the claim that you were banned. Probably because you know you deserved the ban, and if you did provide a link, nobody would take you seriously. Don't worry, nobody's taking you seriously anyway.

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Tracido: yet in several instances, it's censored.
Prove it, then. If there are several instances, providing even a single proof of censorship should be easy, no?

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Tracido: So, again, take your agenda and shove it.
Translation: "I'm too dumb to argue logically like the adult I claim to be, so go away and let me throw my temper tantrum."

No.
Post edited January 10, 2021 by s1drano