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I appreciate your post. I hope you'll excuse my making a few corrections, though. It's not everything that offends or upsets them, it's only anything that does not align with their cult's ideology. They are exactly the same as the most intolerant of religious fanatics or cultists, while actually believing themselves superior.

And if all they did was scurry to their safe spaces, we wouldn't really have anything to discuss.

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Unfortunately, they didn't merely ask why there were no black folk in the game, they maligned the developer for not "Including" black folk, and hurled vile accusations of racism.

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He's demonstrated that he's not afraid of offending people at all. The evidence points to him being a True Believer, a cultist who believes he is doing Great Things in the world. In the corporate world, it may not always be clear when a company is doing something for PR reasons, or to get certain people off its back, but I think it's usually clear when those at the top support a particular ideology.

Regarding science, you are right--the left has now become firmly anti-science and thoroughly reality-resistant. Just like any other cult.

I could understand if this was part of the lore of the world of cyberpunk and maybe it is. But they are not doing it because of that, they are doing it for the sake of it because "its the new and trendy thing to do". They call themselves progressives but when people ask the question "What are we progressing towards"? They have no answer.

In short, it is inclusion at the exclusion off scientific values and morals.

This is not a political forum, guys. And I suspect that a moderator will come down fairly hard on anyone who insists.

But still, I just can't help but ask what sort of pro-science you're actually seeing on the right? Economics is ignored habitually to find arguments to provide even more state support for rich people and big corporations. Polution of all kinds is played down because it interferes with profitability. And out on the religious side of "the right", you've got honest-to-God creationism. And you've got all the white supremacy race theory stupidity too. How did it go with all that "no big deal" right wing playing-down of covid-19? Was that good and sound science?

Also, if you want to use that left and right spectrum that aggressively then I can't help but wonder if you know what "left" and "right" is actually in reference to and what it means to be "left" or "right"?

Disclaimer, I'm not really with any one group. I tend to develope a strong dislike of all of them all for one reason or another. So if you feel that I'm ragging on you for being right-wingers, I'm not doing it because the extreme left is awesome or whatever, I'm simply doing it because I find your position irrational.

And another disclaimer, the right used to have this fairly strong case for being "better" because they at least understood economics whereas the "left" tended to be extremely ideology-driven and thus prone to stupid decisions. But at this point the right wing decisions are just as ideological rather than based on actual economics, and moderate leftists would actually appear to be the least irrational people around.

First thing is, whoever is offended by tlou2, needs more social contacts, needs to see the actual world the way it is. Since its a masterpiece in any category I can only make a guess and say you are offended by not being served your stereotypes.

Games are here to entertain us all, not just you. Not hard is it ?
Go out.

Second thing, whats your fear now in that context on cyberpunk ?

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What is 'politics'? There's no such thing, if by 'politics' you mean a category of subject matter that is somehow fundamentally different from all other subject matter, and thus taboo. Call it magical thinking, call it superstition--call it whatever, it's a ridiculous mindset that discourages discussion on the very subjects that are most important, and thus most deserving of discussion. That is inarguable.

I can't imagine why a person would want to so much as suggest that civil discussion on any subject must be feared, and that it is remotely appropriate for a "moderator" to take it upon himself to prevent such discussion. A right to do a thing--such as stifle discussion between adults, which is a right one has in a private setting such as this--is not the same thing as it being right to do it at any time, for any reason.

Having said that, I would agree that this particular thread is not necessarily the best--or most efficient--medium for actual discussion or debate. If you view yourself as truly open-minded (i.e. able to be swayed from your beliefs by fact and logic), I would be amenable to the use of the chat feature. I haven't really used it before, but it should greatly speed things up.

Masterpiece? TLOU2 is a masterpiece?!? Are you for real?

Famous SJW words: " Go out". No one except SJW has the right to voice their opinions?
Of course.

Fear of seeing logic of story sacrificed for the sake of SJW demands. From the original tabletop game it's quite right to bacame something else that you was born to. But - and it's a big BUT - NOBODY BECAMES HERMAPHRODITE CYBORG FROM THE VERY BEGINING. It's the choice of the player to modify their body. And it's quite all right with us. But thanks to you & your kind we are denied the right to start as straight male or female. And that is only the start. Because SJW crowd does not make compromises. It's all or nothing. That's your way of life because you are not liberal democratic movement but totalitarian sect.

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To be fair, I believe he meant "go out" as in "...of your mom's basement", and not "...of this thread". Granted, that was the only point of his that I did understand.

Oh yes. Im gasping for every good horror survival game, but this, I havent come across anything like this before.

Ive just read this up:
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/08/28/cyberpunk-2077-dev-explains-why-theres-no-character-gender-option-anymore

So, after this you are perfectly free to customize your character as male or female as you want to, you can mix body and voices and choose genitals. They just removed the binary gender category in the menu which would limit the possibilities of mixing options. But this makes the game more accessible to us all now. Trans people included.
Wow I didnt now about this, awesome.

Exactly this is very democratic and liberal, I dont see your point here.


Yes, I meant to accept that diversity that is out there.

Facepalm. Just facepalm. And no, I'm not talking about IDEA of the game (what revenge road leads to) - idea is solid. I'm talking about presentation of that idea.

And now, dear sir, pray explain it to me: HOW EXACTLY the very availability of simple "male" and "female" character builds AMONG all these other options could LIMIT "the possibilities of mixing options"?

So, you saying that interests of trans people is more important than interests of "ordinary humans"? Moreover, the interests of the said ordinary people must be DELETED to apraise trans people?

So, for the sake of liberals, options to have NATURAL humans have been deleted.
Well, THIS is my point here. But I'm sure you will not see it.

Diversity is the right of ALL kinds of content to be present. Including "old-fashioned' ones.
So You are NOT talking about diversity. You are talking about advancing very specific views. Or, to be more correct, you are talking about advancing a specific AGENDA.

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To my great regret, madam, my mind is not powerful enough to comprehend the full depth of the revelation that you have poured out on me.
Would you kindly as to condescend to less pompous words? :)

Please note that I specifically wrote: "the presence of this option AMONG OTHERS." I.e. I do not demand to remove something - I demand to ADD something. And now I ask you again: how does ADDING something to an ALREADY existing set of options limit the choice?
As for the further development of the player's character, the role-playing game was made for this, so that a person could play a ROLE that PERSONALLY he likes. Whether this role is liked by others and whether it meets the desires of others is ABSOLUTELY UNIMPORTANT. What is important is that playing this role is NOT FORCED to other people. And if I WISH, for any reason, to play the role of a "natural" man - this is my RIGHT, as long as I do not demand the same from you.

I.e. you have nothing to answer on the merits of the question? I'm not surprised.

lol ok I get it, you are messing with me all the time :D :D :D

Just doing my part :)