why would anyone do business with these guys?

if you owned (notice the ed at the end denoting past tense) shadowrun returns or dragonfall from the playstore at google, you had your games taken.

its not really sales when a company would do such a thing, it is called "theft".

I myself had this happen, as I am sure some of you have as well.

who after going through that would EVER do ANYTHING with harebrained schemes and or / Paradox after that?

and they DID do that.

If you bought it on google you still have a digital receipt @ pay.google.com, but you have NOTHING to show for it.

that's not legal, it violates consumer laws in the US as it does most everywhere else.

we should stop spending money at GOG till they get rid of you Harebrained/Paradox.

in my case the transactions were:
GPA.1323792846995302 Sunday, March 8, 2015 9:27 PM Shadowrun Returns
$2.99
GPA.1316649374075393 Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:53 PM Shadowrun: Dragonfall - DC
$6.99

anyone with any smarts doesn't do business with known thieves, and that is what Harebrained/Paradox are at this point.

LOL.

So you "bought" a game on a DRMed storefront and now want to blame the publisher of the game - or the publishing group that subsequently bought them out - for losing access to your game. On a forum for a storefront that touts DRM-free as one of their primary distinguishing factors.

I have to assume "caveat emptor" means absolutely nothing to you.

What kind of crazy crossposting is this.

No way. Go to the general discussin forum for your weeping needs.

umm, you haven't thought this through actually, they were bought by another company yes, but still their were previous agreements, Harebrained still exists right? yep.

IF you buy things and expect them to belong to you, and the person that sold them to you takes them back so you pay and have nothing to show, is that ethical? that's not sales, that is THEFT.

IF you expect that NOT to happen to YOU then you should take NOTE of what has happened with those you deal with with others as well, because history repeats itself.

what does quality ("caveat emptor") have to do with this? it is about ethics.
to sell something to someone and then take it is not sales, it is THEFT.

if you expect it NOT to happen to you then your being but a hypocrite.
you must be smoking meth if you think it has to do with quality, go back to your latin dictionary, read it again and explain to us what it has to do with "Quality".

fancy words don't make you look smart when you misuse them, they make you look unerudite is what they make you look.

do you think that your actually beign helpful or realistic in this ideaology?
you see, peopel liek you rather than look at whats really going on like to taunt those that stuff happens to rather than face the problem in truth.

in that you too are part of the problem, and when that mentality dies, then we will prosper, but until then..

you will reap as you sow brother, understand that.
what man si a man that doesn't make his world a better place?

you strive for status quo and pretend to be upright, but you aren't.

Before you complain abput something, you should inform yourself and contct the right people.
Google removed Shadowrun from Playstore as well as they did remove alot of other programs and games because of changed Terms of use (mostly because of new EU laws). HBS posted that they want to adjust the game, but well it is low priority and it takes some time and then the progress of reentering Playstore takes some time, too.

What you can and most likely should do, is contacting HBS and ask for a refund.

For me HBS made some games I personally do like and well, I am an old FASA fan and am happy Jordan did bring them back on conputer.

Pretty sure this is an issue of getting screwed by Google, not HBS, since that's where you bought the game from.

Yes it sucks they did that, which is why DRM sucks so badly.

Not sure how this is HBS's fault though. If you buy a Corvette from a dodgy car dealer, and he comes and repossesses your car (because he's an asshole or something, for the sake of example), would you then accuse GM of being thieves? I would suspect not, since doing so wouldn't make a lick of sense.

BTW did you attempt to get a refund (or better still, a GOG version) of any of HBS's games that you got screwed out of? I would be really surprised if HBS doesn't come out and do something of that sort, assuming you have adequate proof of purchase and some other legal issue isn't stopping them (which cannot be ruled out).

yeah, i contacted them, they seem to be ignoring it actually.

the GPA #'s above are electronic receipt numbers from google, they have records, i do too, unfortunately thats all i am left with it seems.

considering it goes exactly opposite the agreement no one should, instead you all should be considering the effect upon yourselves.

it has nothing to do with DRM, it has to do with the idea that when you sell something to someone it belongs to them, and if and when you take it away that's not sales, that is theft.

literally.

it is actually illegal here in the US (as it is most everywhere else).

consider my thread your warning about the value of the word of Harebrained schemes (appropriate legal fiction huh?).

I had an issue with Auroch as well (chainsaw warrior etc) they offered me a steam key, I asked them to consider Gog, I hate steam really.

If the end users would all band together and start requesting such, maybe we could get this fixed, but so long as it is debt that backs currency, things will stay the same.

I trust Gog alot more than STEAM, more than Google today as well, but even they do deceptive things on occasion.

Blame Google and the EU laws. This is how Google works, when ever google drops a game from their service, they take the games away from everyone who bought it, they completely remove it from their servers so not even the previous buyers can still download it. Google does not do what Steam and GoG does, and that is leave the game on the servers for previous buyers to keep on playing the games they already bought.

Anyways, the reply I got from HBS was this about 2 months ago: and then I asked a few weeks ago about an update and I got this: And no, what happened with all of this is not illegal in the USA at all. You don't own the software at all on Googleplay, Google can take away your game from you at any time for any reason which is what you agreed to in the TOS/EULA, and yes in the USA TOS are actually legally binding.

HBS released these games to the Googleplay service long before the new EU laws were enacted. There is no way they could have predicted this to happen. The EU laws have really screwed over a lot of people and developers, and now developers are having to go through extensive reprogramming of their games all the while learning about these new laws with the EU which are very strict and carry very heavy fines if they mess up just one bit. And because the laws are so new, there is no presedence to give more proper meaning of the law which makes things all that much harder to become compliant with.

a legal agreement that violates consumer laws is not legal actually.

in all truth the US itself was built upon a lie and violating international law.

Have you ever heard of St. Claires defeat?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Clair%27s_Defeat

the outcome of that was actually George Washington SURRENDERING to Little Turtle, and Henry Knox (the the secretary of war of the Dept. of the Interior) was the co-endorser. This is what caused the first investigation of the executive branch of the US government and thereby the first cover-up as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Turtle

so they took their surrender up and put ti before congress for "ratification" and congress of course refused.
when you surrender you have no legal rights.

the "Envoy" was a man named Rufus Putnam.

theres a book about it called "The Gods of Prophetstown" by Adam Jortner, a history professor.

beyond that (and before that as well actually considering all that has been done) was illegal.

Starting with founding a government on land that didn't belong to them..
secondly the Treaty of Paris (which had NOTHING at all to do with the french)
and then that.

in 1848 the US made the native americans citizens, though they never asked for that, and the US owed them actually, this in turn stripped them of their sovereignty and made them subject to US laws.
then in 1863 SLAVERY was abolished (and that's what previous statement is actually) but that didn't apply to native americans, only black people, who were used to keep the natives in check so Esau could run amuck.
then in 1926 they did the same to the rest of the natives here.

when you owe someone, then you do something like that that is actually called "reverse enslavement".

nothing of the US has ever been "legal" actually.

know your history.

but of course, I am a Miami myself, so I know these things..
Bob Marley said "the victim knows of abuse", yes, and the abuser and his supporters can NOT admit to it.

the EU was always behind them, it was profitable all along to trade in stolen goods.

Furthermore it was actually against the original Israel, thats what no one gets..

Columbus wrote about it in his diary in his first month if you go read it.

the Jewish removal act was what led them HERE.

do you know the meaning of the name "Adam"?
the real meaning.. it DOES NOT mean "man", that word is "Ish"

Adam was created in Gods image, and had a son in his likeness and image (Genesis 5:3) and named him "Seth" which means "appointed".

The star alignment of Revelations 12 was last year, there is only 2 1/2 years left, judgement will be on May 20th 2021 (1335 days after the alignment)

revelations 12 mentions 42 months, back then a month was 30 days (42x30 = 1260), then there is 30 days and 45 after that (which leads to May 20th 2021)

https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?m1=09&d1=23&y1=2017&type=add&ay=&am=&aw=&ad=1335&rec=

see attached image for the alignment of revelations 12, the morning after Rosh Hashanah (like a thief in the night, its morning that steals the night), and the crosshairs are upon the 36 upon the 7th head of the serpent (Serpens), a man made designation as the book says (it is a "adorning star" no less), and atop the 7 heads there are 7 crowns (Corona Borealis) and 10 horns (the Bootes).

IF you believe in god, know, the liar, the thief, the hypocrite will not enter the world that is to come.

if you don't, you will.

and before you say "I have heard this before" tell me, ever 100% by the wording of the bible? NOPE..

I can explain it in great detail.
but for now, you can look and ponder and ask around, i suggest a rabbi that understand the Zohar.

don't hate the messenger, I am only telling you what I understand.

You just want on a huge post and practically said nothing. Nothing that supported your point at all. Nothing that supported you in any way that in related to the topic of this thread.

The point is, nothing was stolen from you. yes what they did is perfectly legal because you never owned the software in the first place, it was licensed to you, and yes those licenses are legally binding and upheld by the law. Your "nothing" up there did absolutely nothing to disprove the facts I have given you.

Honestly, you should like a sovereign citizen type person, where you think you actually understand the laws but in reality you are far from it.

Also the Bible has nothing to do with this either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPX6qg4zZRI&t=25s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark_Holy_Stones

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Lunas_Decalogue_Stone

think what you wish, but you should consider, as should all.

law built upon hypocracy and lies is not legal, never has been.
time is short.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGgf8tcfT2w << see this as well.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif

I can run circles around you on this off shoot subject you are trying to make here, but this is not the place for such a discussion, and I fear you wouldn't understand it at all anyways because I can already tell you already have ingrained wrong understanding of what you are talking about.

then we should discuss it, where then?

as a Miami myself so I really doubt that.

are you aware of Emeth and Muth?

If you truely can do such can you speak algonquin?
I can, funny thing is when I do in front of jews and Farsi speakers they both understand my words.

wonder why, hmm.

where shall we discuss it in truth?
any false pretenses must be stricken, must be complete truth and founded upon such, if so I am game.

bedtime for me, i'll check on you tomorrow.

Tanakiah.