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Label the games that have DRM
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Colluphid Was looking into buying a copy of Two Worlds for a friend and myself today, but decided to make sure it had LAN support first. Found out the co-op mode requires a serial key and a constant connection to Reality Pump's servers as they don't allow users to host their own. No access controls are installed on the user's computer or copy protection used, but by tightly controlling access to the Two Worlds server files the co-op mode is effectively DRM'd. There is no other reason for Reality Pump to require their involvement in this mode. When I use GOG, I just assume everything is DRM-free. In hindsight, I don't even know why I checked for LAN support, because that is how DRM-free multiplayer games are supposed to work. You can make the argument that this isn't technically DRM, but it's dishonest and I don't expect to worry about this when buying DRM-free games. Some sort of warning, whether it's "Partially DRM'd" or "Co-op server files not included," should be put on the pages of games like this.
Ruddy_man With the games they allowed here unknowingly should be marked with a bright giant red exclamation mark to notify the public about DRM and pray they don't let anymore games with DRM in here!
Minsk & Boo I buy games on GoG /because/ they are DRM-free.
im_adrian No upvote. DRM-free means DRM-free, not "DRM warning."
eleozz An DRM indicator after the name of the game that have Serial-Key or any other kind of DRM lock will be great (both in Store and Library)
Temen DRM should not be on GoG if needed they must label it in detail. I buy games on GoG because I expect it to be DRM free otherwise I buy on Steam. This is BS. If they continue to do this partial kind of DRM games without label or being sold I will stop buying from them. I have games on Steam already because DRM free I bought a second copy here, this kind of practice is dishonest to customer and false advertising.
I0_x_0I "Some sort of DRM label if applicable"
100% agree with this.
I thought Kingdom Come was DRM -free only to find that it has internet required DRM. I would have waited for a DEEP sale if I knew this was the case.
MegisED Games with DRM shouldn't even be here. FCKDRM.
ramsey84c GOG tells you if you have to log into anything to play multiplayer or if you need a third party account upfront under the system specs
GlennMagusHarvey Seems like what happens with these games is that there are certain game modes that are behind serial keys or other such mechanisms. What GOG ought to do is to indicate, accurately and clearly, what game modes in these games will depend on things like serial keys. It's better than not selling them at all (because then consumers might miss out on the games), or representing them as the full game being DRM-free (because some game modes are locked behind serial keys for example). GOG can use this opportunity to build on the principle of properly serving customers, because part of that means providing customers with proper and accurate information about the products.
andreasaspenberg2 i agree that games with DRM should be labeled.
Blastprocessor42 If a game has DRM then it shouldn't be on GOG. Being DRM-free is GOG's core tenet and the only reason I buy games here.
FaustoLG DRM-free or no deal, PERIOD! I hate DRM and I don't want it here on GOG!
BlackSun If these things do happen to crop up here or there, LABEL them properly. So I can avoid spending any of my dimes on these. Kthx.
SIRbossk They shouldn't allow these games on the service at all. Tell them DRM-free or no deal.
gliamonster Two Worlds shouldn't be here at all anyway. www.gog.com/wishlist/site/take_topware_interactive_games_off_gog
hanshan Please ALWAYS post if game has DRM. I wont buy DRM if it requires sign-in or connection to someone's server. I game offline thank you. Thats why I use GoG.
IdkSomeNublette No. Tell the publishers "DRM free or your we won't sell your game."
Remember why you're different from (and better than) Steam for the end user.
The way it should work is:
LAN play should not ask for any connection to any publisher's server ever.
Internet play requires you set up an account so whatever you do (and have done to you) in the game's shared universe can be tracked. This actually doesn't rule out microtransactions in the game universe, because you aren't changing anything on the client or activating anything.
Anything else doesn't belong here.
Contra001 I agree that 'partial' DRM (Developer's-servers-only multiplayer, etc.) is incompatible with the GOG philosophy, and disappointed that it has shown up here. ESPECIALLY unmarked, because I know many of us shop here specifically because it is DRM-free, and would not purchase if we knew.
Thorfinn I've isolated my gaming LAN from the internet for a reason: to avoid the performance hit from virus scanners and the like, and not worry about things from the outside getting in.
Having purchased around half the titles on GOG, and being severely backlogged for the last few years, I'm now dismayed to find one after another that either cannot be installed or cannot be played without an active internet connection. Fool that I am, I had been assuming DRM-Free meant just that.
You've put all the appropriate disclaimers further down the page. Maybe just put an asterisk by the DRM-Free check mark, or get rid of the claim for that game entirely. 'Cuz DRM-Free it ain't.
jsjrodman Online gaming definitely DOES NOT require serial numbers or unique keys. Having an *account* where your status persists on a server does require some kind of unique login of course, but even for that you can trust the client and accept that cheating will exist.
Just correcting some stuff below.
As for the request, I agree completely. Games that require a server for any functionality where that functionality cannot be locally replicated should be clearly labelled as not fully free.
KiNgBrAdLeY7 Please, please, you SHOULD label which of your games actually HAVE DRM... Is going to save precious time and effort from your support department, because if i accidentally buy a game containing DRM, i AM GOING TO DEMAND return AND refund...
Narny I have decided against buying 2 copies of "King Arthur's Gold" today to play against my daughter, because of the DRM this game contains.
I have no problem with requiring online activation with multi-player games when you're playing on the publisher's or developer's servers. To my mind that's checking that you've paid for the s/w in order to access a service that they're providing and paying for.
But KAG requires online activation to play on a LAN when one of the machines on the LAN is hosting a local server. All my own work, so to speak - nothing to do with them. This, in my opinion, is definitely DRM.
In three years' time, if my daughter and I pull our old paid-for installers out of mothballs to play a nostalgic game against each other, we won't be able to if the KAG authentication server is no longer around. That's the primary reason I came to GOG 5 years and 180 games ago.
This is DRM - plain and simple. And I think that GOG is being disingenous when they say "DRM free" just because *part* of the purchase is DRM-free.
deathmachinept I'm just agaisn't block DRM, the DRM that prevents you from installing and playing the game before unlocking the DRM features especially online.
When it comes to multiplayer I don't think requiring a key is a reason not to have on GOG.
But a notice should be at least included.
Gilozard Some games do have a warning for this. I don't have a problem with requiring a key for multi-player, you do need a unique ID when playing online or it wouldn't work correctly, and so long as the single-player is completely offline that's OK.
Needing to connect to other servers is different though, and very annoying.
MaraJade Yeah, and what about the games that use serial keys? Like Neverwinter. I don't see how they can call GOG "DRM-free". It's a lie. Just say the truth: "Some DRM-free, some full of restrictive DRM just like everywhere else."
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