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MysterD: Okay, let's say the FTC basically ran Epic down for the MTX's, so Epic has to take MP aspects out of their games and/or pull the servers.

So, Unreal 1, 2, UT, and UT 2004 really ain't laced w/ MTX's...so, maybe they should just sell single-player only version of these games? Will FTC allow the games then?

Granted, that probably removes 1/2 of the point of many of these games (i.e. the Multiplayer) - that's if anyone's even playing them anymore in this era - but at least these games have solo offline components.

Unreal: Gold and Unreal 2 actually have legit single-player campaigns with no MTX's.
UT99 and UT2004 now have community servers to replace the ones that Epic is shutting down.

See https://ut99.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=15589#p139893 to configure them for those two games.
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MysterD: Okay, let's say the FTC basically ran Epic down for the MTX's, so Epic has to take MP aspects out of their games and/or pull the servers.

So, Unreal 1, 2, UT, and UT 2004 really ain't laced w/ MTX's...so, maybe they should just sell single-player only version of these games? Will FTC allow the games then?

Granted, that probably removes 1/2 of the point of many of these games (i.e. the Multiplayer) - that's if anyone's even playing them anymore in this era - but at least these games have solo offline components.

Unreal: Gold and Unreal 2 actually have legit single-player campaigns with no MTX's.
The Unreal franchise does not have any microtransactions, of course, but the heavy handed clause which the FTC are invoking with COPPA is the notion that an age rating won't prevent underage users from playing them. This is infact not legal use of COPPA, but as Epic were recently found guilty of the 'dark pattern' MTX designs in Fortnite, I don't think they feel in a strong position to challenge that part of the FTC's punishment that involves either 'update or comply' these games without parental controls.

It sets a very scary precedent that apparently an age rating may not be enough anymore, meaning there is a chance that they could attempt to go after other titles next just by having mature ratings.
So what now? We're going to have to show ID to get UT or similar games?
Wait, this is actually horrendous. If this sets a precedent....

"Hey, that 25 year old game has no safeguards other than age rating to stop minors from playing it. Either spend millions to fix that or pull them from sale."

If other publishers see a threat in this, we might potentially be looking at a mass purge of old games.
I'm happy I bought these here and on disc too but this entire situation is crazy. We'll just have to wait and see what happens honestly.
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TheBigCore: So if I understand this correctly, Epic needs to add COPPA-compliant parental controls on the Unreal games and that would allow Epic to reinstate those games on GOG, Steam, etc?
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EnforcerSentinel: From what I understand yes, or it may be that OldUnreal will have to do it for them, communications between Epic and OldUnreal are still open anyway.

But the other problem is that this sets a very bad precedent. They're essentially making an example out of Epic in this case, but one could wonder if they may attempt to go after other mature titles too in the name of COPPA, which by itself can be over arching even without the non legal way which the FTC used it.
So because a completely unrelated game breaks some idiotic government regulation, Unreal players have to suffer?
Post edited January 22, 2023 by TheBigCore
There's at a solution now, through the use of the OpenSpy project.