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Posted February 15, 2013
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LordRikerQ: the fact is people getting butthurt have no idea what the authors of these patches think
Except, some of the people commenting do know what (one of) the authors think. Kolya has stated that, while he's fine that his SS2Tool was used, he is a bit annoyed that no common courtesy was given and he wasn't credited in any way for his work.
Post edited February 15, 2013 by redrain85
Posted February 15, 2013
There's finally a response from GOG, over at ttlg:

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140849&page=3&p=2166662&viewfull=1#post2166662
Posted February 15, 2013
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LordRikerQ: Im pointing out how stupid some people are, not white knighting, the fact is people getting butthurt have no idea what the authors of these patches think ...
You mean modders like Kolya? Yeah, I guess we have no idea and are stupid.
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Posted February 15, 2013
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Kodaemon: There's finally a response from GOG, over at ttlg:

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140849&page=3&p=2166662&viewfull=1#post2166662
Some faith regained. Thanks, GoG.
Posted February 15, 2013
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Kodaemon: There's finally a response from GOG, over at ttlg:
Excellent!!! I think GOG/NightDive should include as much of the community work/fixes as possible as long as the authors agree and it is up-to-date.
Post edited February 15, 2013 by gogst3dt
Posted February 15, 2013
it's a nontrivial process - every change they make has to be approved by night dive, see the ttlg post.

does not really matter as the GOG build can be repatched with the latest ss2tool, should the user decide he wants the latest mods.
Posted February 15, 2013
That's pretty lengthy response, and by the sound of it their hands kinda tied. Anyway, it's good that they're looking to come on terms with you guys and the modders.
Posted February 15, 2013
I don't get why people who want to be credited use the GNU license for their software without any additions. As far as I've read, it does not require credit to be given for the modification and redistribution of the software it applies to. Such as SS2Tool. Though I could be mistaken, I've not studied it in depth or anything, I didn't see anything about credit in the installer. Kudos to gog for going out of their way to please.
Post edited February 15, 2013 by Al3xand3r
Posted February 15, 2013
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Al3xand3r: I don't get why people who want to be credited use the GNU license for their software without any additions. As far as I've read, it does not require credit to be given for the modification and redistribution of the software it applies to. Such as SS2Tool. Though I could be mistaken, I've not studied it in depth or anything, I didn't see anything about credit in the installer. Kudos to gog for going out of their way to please.
It's not that they HAVE to, heck in legal speak nothing wrong has been done. This is more of a thing of morals. Morally credit should be given, which we see GoG is attempting to set things straight now, though it could take time. This topic has been a kinda 'eh' thing to me. I'm not going to let this bother me, since I've known GOG would try to do the right thing if something came up. Heck I didn't even know of NewDark until this game's release. I'm all for GOG giving credit to those who made the initial fixes used in this release. But at the same time that credit not being there now isn't going to have me telling people not to buy the game.
Posted February 15, 2013
Beside, GOG has been working with them on several occasion in the past. It's not nice to leave your partner on bad terms aka burning the bridge. I believe there was no malice on the quote from RPS interview. After reading the whole interview, i can imagine he was just bit excited at that time.
Posted February 15, 2013
it's also a matter of clearing up the confusion - "is the GOG version better than patch 2.4, or is it the other way around? will NewDark mods work for the GOG version or not?" etc.

making sure everybody knows that the GOG version has been patched with (NewDark) 2.4 will prevent this.
Posted February 15, 2013
Well, at least the problem was acknowledged. Even though the post is beating around the bush, I'm optimistic that GOG is capable of sorting this out.
Posted February 15, 2013
Has anyone actually publicly taken credit for the NewDark unofficial patch? My understanding is that the changes that were made with NewDark were most likely only possible due to leaked source code, and it's included in the SS2tool.

If that's the case, It's kinda hard for GOG to publicly give credit to the SS2tool author(s) if some of the contents contained in the mod may have possibly originated through unethical or illegal means. Then again GOG is taking credit for it, so maybe the publisher gave them the green light with it.

Just thinking out loud. Not really enough information right now until GOG or someone involved sheds a little more light on this..
Posted February 15, 2013
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Madmate: Well, it would be nice if you say also, that you are trolling, like you said on RPGCodex:

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/system-shock-2-coming-to-gog-and-steam.80479/page-7#post-2497784
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Marvin: Hehe, no, that's just Infinitron's weird sense of humour. I don't own an account on RPGCodex. I guess he mistook my comment on SMA stating that I opened a thread abnout this issue with him being the origin of that suggestion. You can compare the time stamps however and see that this thread is older than Infinitron's post on SMA. :)

Besides, even if this thread was instigated by an angry 4chan mob, this does not change anything about the present situation or the factual evidence.
For the record, I'm Infinitron, and yes, it was just Codex humour.
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JohnnyDollar: Has anyone actually publicly taken credit for the NewDark unofficial patch? My understanding is that the changes that were made with NewDark were most likely only possible due to leaked source code, and it's included in the SS2tool.

If that's the case, It's kinda hard for GOG to publicly give credit to the SS2tool author(s) if some of the contents contained in the mod may have possibly originated through unethical or illegal means. Then again GOG is taking credit for it, so maybe the publisher gave them the green light with it.

Just thinking out loud. Not really enough information right now until GOG or someone involved sheds a little more light on this..
I actually asked New Dive on their Facebook page whether they had anything to do with NewDark. They didn't respond to my post. I could have pursued it further, but I figured I'd leave that to the SS2 modding community (I'm just a dilettante here).

SS2Tool, on the other hand, existed before NewDark. It is it's own thing.
Post edited February 15, 2013 by Melnorme
Posted February 16, 2013
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Jarerex: Until I hear a response from GoG regarding this I am actively telling people to stay away from purchasing this title. As a long-time modder this kind of action is entirely despicable, especially after the rockpapershotgun interview where they claim these very mods aren't "good enough"!
Yeah I can see how calling them "phenomenal work" is a big slight...
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