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Rage of Mages seriesQuestions and general advice about playing Evil Islands(30 posts)solved(30 posts)solved
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Posted April 06, 2016
I think they are both viable tactics and it depends which way you want to go in the future. I personally dont put any skills on range since I find melee a lot more powerful and I dont remember having trouble killing dragons. 177 exp spent on use/steal is not much if you are careful about planning your progress. Forexample, if you are going for melee, you definetly want to take backstab so dont take any other skill until you do because exp needed doubles. So you save XP and take the skills that need the MOST xp first. If you plan ahead like this, 177 xp is nothing.
Posted April 06, 2016
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Engerek01: So you save XP and take the skills that need the MOST xp first.
That's what Sarisio said too, but I was advised not to invest in Backstab at all and to raise Health first (which is what I did, currently at level 2) ...

I used to sneak and backstab a lot before I distributed any of the xp points, but now that I've raised melee to 36 or so, it's become less necessary and I can try to just attack monsters, even groups of three (or more if they're weak like goblins).
Posted April 06, 2016
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Engerek01: So you save XP and take the skills that need the MOST xp first.
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Leroux: That's what Sarisio said too, but I was advised not to invest in Backstab at all and to raise Health first (which is what I did, currently at level 2) ...

I used to sneak and backstab a lot before I distributed any of the xp points, but now that I've raised melee to 36 or so, it's become less necessary and I can try to just attack monsters, even groups of three (or more if they're weak like goblins).
That maybe true. I finished the game a couple of times but that was 10 years ago. On my recent plays I only finished the first island and left it there so my end game memory is fussy. Still I remember some games can only be killed by 30X backstabbing because of their insane regeneration. Ofcourse that is a risk since some monsters are immune to backstabbing like skeletons. I hate them :))
Posted April 06, 2016
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Engerek01: Still I remember some games can only be killed by 30X backstabbing because of their insane regeneration.
And was it required to defeat them or can the game be beat without killing them?
Posted April 06, 2016
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Engerek01: Still I remember some games can only be killed by 30X backstabbing because of their insane regeneration.
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Leroux: And was it required to defeat them or can the game be beat without killing them?
As far as I remember no. But they do give nice exp and material. You can always cheat if you come across a monster who you need to kill.
Posted April 06, 2016
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Leroux: *SPOILER* I don't know Ataman, maybe I haven't met him yet? You don't mean the bandit camp where you get the village trader's stuff back, right? Anyway, increasing use/steal to level 16 only costs about 150xp, I guess I should be able to afford that. Thanks for the advice! Can you steal from regular orcs and goblins too, and if so does that get you anything else than you'd get from killing them? And can you steal from NPCs several times or only once? Just asking because the first time I was in the bandit camp, I stole the trader's stuff back from the chief and his wife (quest items), and now I went there again and was able to steal some coins and a rune from them. I'm also strong enough to fight them now, is it okay to kill them?
I mean this camp :)
AFAIK, stealing+loot from killing afterward=killing without stealing
stealing twice works because first "steal" is a quest-related action, it doesn't count as stealing.
If you can kill them, try it, see if you get hammer from loot.
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Sarisio: I am coming from the point that diversifying character is the last thing one want to do in this game. Skill level 17 requires investment of 177 EXP. 177 EXP here, 177 EXP there - those add up very quick. I think it is better to save EXP and spend it on ranged skills when you are done with most of wanted skills - to have good chances against dragons.

Off-topic: is it possible to kill 3 Ogres in tutorial zone without switching to Easy mode? I don't feel good about skipping some nice EXP behind.
Lightning spell doesn't miss.
Posted April 06, 2016
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Gremlion: I mean this camp :)
AFAIK, stealing+loot from killing afterward=killing without stealing
stealing twice works because first "steal" is a quest-related action, it doesn't count as stealing.
If you can kill them, try it, see if you get hammer from loot.
I did kill them after stealing from them but I got no hammer from the loot ... I just got some money and a rune "Extra Effect" from the chieftess (and now I've got two of them). They didn't have any NPC names either, they were just called "Chieftain" and "Brigand chieftess" (I still don't know who Ataman is).
Post edited April 06, 2016 by Leroux
Posted April 06, 2016
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Gremlion: I mean this camp :)
AFAIK, stealing+loot from killing afterward=killing without stealing
stealing twice works because first "steal" is a quest-related action, it doesn't count as stealing.
If you can kill them, try it, see if you get hammer from loot.
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Leroux: I did kill them after stealing from them but I got no hammer from the loot ... I just got some money and a rune "Extra Effect" from the chieftess (and now I've got two of them). They didn't have any NPC names either, they were just called "Chieftain" and "Brigand chieftess" (I still don't know who Ataman is).
Ataman is Chieftain.(Ataman - leader of the gang in the Russian language)
Well, then you need to steal that damned hammer XD
Don't worry about 200 exp, you get way more than 200k on Gipat.

Edit: found out that man with hammer disappears if you take quest to steal instruments :\
Post edited April 06, 2016 by Gremlion
Posted April 06, 2016
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Gremlion: Well, then you need to steal that damned hammer XD
But from who? I already stole from Chieftain and he only had gold on him.
Posted April 06, 2016
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Gremlion: Well, then you need to steal that damned hammer XD
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Leroux: But from who? I already stole from Chieftain and he only had gold on him.
man with hammer disappears if you take quest to steal instruments :\
Sorry about that.
Posted April 06, 2016
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Gremlion: Lightning spell doesn't miss.
By ranged skills I meant magic too, but you need a very powerful spells to pierce dragons' Armor, which means heavy investment in magic. I remember when I played game 1st time (with cheats) those dragons had quite a noticeable regen. Speaking about it, I can't remember - were dragons approachable by melee in Allods 1/2?
Posted April 06, 2016
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Leroux: But from who? I already stole from Chieftain and he only had gold on him.
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Gremlion: man with hammer disappears if you take quest to steal instruments :\
Sorry about that.
So you're supposed to explore the area first, then take on the quest? Most of the time, it's the other way around. If you explore freely, you miss half of the story and quest stages. I don't even know why I keep wanting to play this game, it's got so many "oldschool" flaws, it's should not be enjoyable at all ...
Posted April 06, 2016
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Leroux: So you're supposed to explore the area first, then take on the quest? Most of the time, it's the other way around. If you explore freely, you miss half of the story and quest stages. I don't even know why I keep wanting to play this game, it's got so many "oldschool" flaws, it's should not be enjoyable at all ...
No, you shouldn't do this - it is metagaming and requirement for specific way of playing - "genoicde" strategy, which is based on maximum efficiency and kills. It is great way to play game, but you can break a lot of quests this way. Better play it normally first time around and keep in mind specifics of character leveling (skill cost increases in geometric progression). Then you can try replay this game in most efficient way possible, "genocide" way, etc.
Posted April 07, 2016
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Leroux: So you're supposed to explore the area first, then take on the quest? Most of the time, it's the other way around. If you explore freely, you miss half of the story and quest stages. I don't even know why I keep wanting to play this game, it's got so many "oldschool" flaws, it's should not be enjoyable at all ...
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Sarisio: No, you shouldn't do this - it is metagaming and requirement for specific way of playing - "genoicde" strategy, which is based on maximum efficiency and kills. It is great way to play game, but you can break a lot of quests this way. Better play it normally first time around and keep in mind specifics of character leveling (skill cost increases in geometric progression). Then you can try replay this game in most efficient way possible, "genocide" way, etc.
I hardly ever replay games, especially not RPGs. I know for a lot of people RPGs are all about the replayability, but I get bored to death by all the repetition. Hell, I'm not even sure I will complete it the first time around, with how tedious and frustrating it can be. Anyway, I'm usually not a minmaxer and metagamer, it's just that from your and other players' comments I got the impression that you really need to be one in this game, in order to be able to beat it and not end up with screwed up character builds and unwinnable situations.
Posted April 10, 2016
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Leroux: I hardly ever replay games, especially not RPGs. I know for a lot of people RPGs are all about the replayability, but I get bored to death by all the repetition. Hell, I'm not even sure I will complete it the first time around, with how tedious and frustrating it can be. Anyway, I'm usually not a minmaxer and metagamer, it's just that from your and other players' comments I got the impression that you really need to be one in this game, in order to be able to beat it and not end up with screwed up character builds and unwinnable situations.
Metagaming or min/maxing is not necessary to complete this game (same is also true for most other RPGs, btw). You can even make some silly/subpar decisions in your character progression and it still should be fine, as long as you don't make too many of them.
Evil Islands is not even nearly as hard as some people like to say. You only need advanced advices and well planned builds if you want to kill everything and get maximum amount of XP and gold. Otherwise, if what you're after is simply finishing the game and learning its story/setting, then you can play normally without worrying too much.

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Sarisio: Speaking about it, I can't remember - were dragons approachable by melee in Allods 1/2?
No, they were not. You could only harm them with ranged weapons (bow, crossbow) and spells.
Post edited April 10, 2016 by DreadNORD
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