There's some comments on gog regarding data mining under the new EULA. I can't post there thus I ask here. Is there DRM on this game?

Phoning back home & DRM are two different things, therefore the title of this thread is misleading; the GOG version of KSP is DRM-Free, meaning you don't need an active internet connection to be able to install the game once you've downloaded the installers, neither does this version feature some third-party code that stop you from installing in more than one PC, apply an installation limit or anything else modern DRM usually does. BUT, as with nearly all Unity games, it does collect telemetry and sends the data to some remote server. What data is that? I'm not sure so i can't say exactly, but if you're concerned about your privacy, you can set your firewall to block all outgoing traffic from KSP. Also, as far as i remember, there is an option to do that from inside of the KSP options (not sure if this applies to v1.4). Personally, if i was using Windows to connect to the internet, i would be much more concerned about my privacy than i'd be with a Unity game. ;)

I hate posting here. no matter what I say, I'm wrong and there's something worse that I'm doing so I should shut the fuck up, right? This thing spies on people. call that what you will, I call it an intrusion into my life. I'll call it malware put on us without warning by gog. Gog will not give me a refund. they say the game works. I say it works as a spy, and I didn't pay money to be spied on and used as a cash cow for some crappy company.

As far as windows or other software goes, what's your point? the world has gone to hell so, we just need more sunscreen? I think this is very wrong. Why bring up windows? you don't know my configuration. You don't know how long I've had computers in my home. you know nothing about me, but you assert that you do. I like my privacy. And I'm asking about this game. nothing else. look at the OP.

Not DRM by definition then it's malware and you don't know what data it's collecting and for what purpose. I shouldn't have to do anything to my firewall because I bought a game. Games should not spy on people. GOG should warn customers that they promote and sell software that spies on us while telling us how cool they are for not adding DRM, A game should be a game. Not a spy in your home.

BTW, the title has a question mark (?) that means I'm asking a question, not making a comment or an accusation. you know the difference between a question and a statement? I looked at my post again to see why I got all the flak from you. I don't get it? I simply asked a question. You obviously have a problem with me. this isn't the first time and I post so seldom I think I'm being stalked by a nut. I can't ask a simple question based upon a discussion I was not able to participate in. But I ask, and there you are to tell me how wrong I am for breathing air.

I think I should have a right to voice my concerns and to ask questions without being attacked. Obviously gog and you disagree.

In common with just about every Unity game out there, KSP does send some telemetry information. If you don't want this, you can place the game behind an outgoing Application Firewall rule.

KSP does not have DRM, however. You can zip up your own backup copy, run it on a non-connected computer, put multiple copies on your machine for your own use (and when running modified, that's frankly recommended), and there are no locks in place to prevent you.

This escalated quickly.

Vythonaut's post has been edited and maybe my memory is playing tricks on me but I don't remember it being inflammatory in it's original form either. It's a methodical and factual explanation. Good post, really. The joke about windows is obviously in jest about computers in general, not an assumption about you personally.

I don't know what the developers of KSP uses Unity telemetry for, but from what I understand it's an engine feature that lets developers know which kind of hardware their games are being run on and it can report how players are behaving in game. Perhaps they want to know how their new expansion is doing and not just rely on anecdotal evidence from player testimonies.

As has been explained in this thread, you can block this traffic and it wont limit your ability to play the game. The answer to the second part of your original question is still no, the game does not have any form of DRM. I don't know what kind of information they are collecting through the Unity Analytics/telemetry however, so the first part of your question is still not answered in this thread.

Can't blame them. I already gave you at least one legit way to block all outgoing traffic from KSP to it's remote servers and it is what GOG support would also advise you, if they didn't do it already. And where exactly did i do this? Really, i don't know your configuration, i don't know how long you've been having computers in your home, i know nothing about you and, surprise-surprise, i don't care even in the slightest. I read the OP carefully before replying and i think i answered your question to the point and with much greater detail than i should have done, especially for someone who doesn't get paid to hear such nonsense from an ungrateful person. Then you shouldn't have to have a firewall (or antivirus for that matter) just because you paid for an internet connection. Doesn't make any sense, right? Do you imply i'm stupid or something like that? Or maybe are you trying to be clever here? Whatever it is, it's bad form and you shouldn't do it. Honestly, If i'd known beforehand what would happen of trying to help you, i wouldn't waste my time trying to do so. Why do you think of that? I mean, i don't even know you, i don't even recall seeing your username again. What would i gain by having a problem with some stranger? Exactly, nothing. You seem to be easily offended when there is no offence meant -- maybe this is exactly what you seek? Of course you have that right, but i think you're overexaggerating when you say i've attacked you.

Having said that, it would be better not to waste any more time & energy to reply to me, because i surely won't. Have a nice day. Thanks for taking the time to answer on my behalf; the post was edited one or two minutes after i posted it because of some minor typo or re-phrasing (keep in mind that i'm using my smartphone to log-in half of the time so little typos are usually a thing). I don't make it a habit to edit my posts for reasons other than typos etc, and if i do, i'll make sure to provide some info about the edit, especially if some time has passed.

Zandorf, to me it reads like you'd built up a head of steam before posting, and lacking any ability to vent at the source of your anger, you decided to unload it on the closest available target merely for not sharing the same level of outrage you have over the situation. Not cool.

He edited out the demeaning and insulting comments. But what the hell. it doesn't matter I've given you assholes a target to vent at so have at it. The title asked a question. I in the OP asked a question. and for that I have to deal with insults. how about meeting me at 40th Ave and Foothill Blvd, Oakland, CA at 9:30 pm at the day of your choosing. want to do something. meet me.

And GOG, go to hell for not putting a stop to this crap in the forums. ban me. I could give a shit at this point.


Vythonaut, Not reading your nasty comments for an issue of your creation. go to hell and stay away from me. I can't do anything about you. you have nothing of value to say when you wrap up your comments with demeaning and belittling insults you piece of filth. just don't comment if you can't be civil.

Not true,but you won't believe it. I asked a question. that's it. how did I insult that prick asking a question. he's edited his comments so you don't see them. I could edit my comments and come back and ask what you're talking about and make you look like your bulling me. but, things are what they are and if you can't see what's happening, what can I say?

What's not cool is all the judgement on these boards. ask a question about game, and you all find it insulting because...? Really? I asked for claification of comments made in another thread, and you all find the question insulting?

EXPLAIN?

One thing is certain. I have purchased my last game. No manuals and if you ask a question, the immature ding dongs on gog take it like a personal insult. But it's not just gog, it's everywhere. so I'm done with this.

I only asked a question!

Immature minds that can't differentiate between a question and an insult.

Thank you for commenting. I really really appreciate not having to be insulted by a reply. I don't know what is referred to as a utility game. would you mind explaining? or referring me to a site that explains what all is being added to games?

Obviously a trolling attempt, and a bad one too! What you don't know is that you chose the wrong person to do it; I really hope GOG has a way to see what has been edited, not that i need to prove to anyone let alone this very community, that things aren't the way you make them to be. You know better than me that such "demeaning & insulting" comments were never made on my behalf -- the shame is on you my friend. No hard feelings on my part, even though the whole thing is just ridiculous. Cheers! ;) Again, what i've said above -- i'm quoting this in case this is edited by the user Zandlof and all is lost.

Again, Vythonaut not reading your comment. I hide the vile things. ask you to leave me alone, but you can't can you. fucking asshole. go away or meet me. no more words from unless it's a date for us to meet.

Unity (https://unity3d.com) is a game engine that is licensed and used by many game developers these days. It's more than just an engine, it's a package solution of many things that could be of interest to game developers, for example offering ready made 3D models.

One of the features offered is anonymous data tracking. Developers can set up their games made with Unity to report how players are using the games. It seems many developers do use this feature, and many do so without asking the player. KSP has an option in the settings menu to opt out of this. The exact details escape me for now but there should be a ticker box.

Here is the official site describing this data tracking: https://unity3d.com/solutions/analytics

Unfortunately it's not very specific, but it may give you an idea of what it is.

I hope you're feeling better today. I can see why you're frustrated with this community, though not with the helpful replies you have received in this thread.

I've not install KSP. After seeing no manual, I came here to see what people were saying about where this might be. I don't want to ask because this is what happens. then I found the EULA thread and stopped messing with it until I found out what this was. I tried to post there but it would not allow it. so, asked here. and again, due to all the static I get for asking here, another game I own that has a bunch of negativity attached to it.

Thank you for taking the time to explain this and for the link! Now I wonder how many games I have that use this engine or another method to accomplish the same objective (do we know what that is, really?) I think of Slitherine games like panzer corp and OOP that pull adds off the net for other Slitherine games on the start menu. I wonder..

Thanks again.