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I hereby declare WhiteElk the GOG.com forums' King of Trolling. All hail!
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Lone3wolf: I'm throwing out questions for information I DO NOT HAVE and NEED to make an INFORMED decision about something. Anything. Rather than just knee-jerk a reaction that may or may not be right, and then jump all over anyone who's of an opinion that differs.

Do you see where YOUR argumentation and assumptions fails there?
Now you're just beating around the bush.

I'll ask again.

What is your INFORMED decision about the video you just saw?
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Lone3wolf: I'm throwing out questions for information I DO NOT HAVE and NEED to make an INFORMED decision about something. Anything. Rather than just knee-jerk a reaction that may or may not be right, and then jump all over anyone who's of an opinion that differs.

Do you see where YOUR argumentation and assumptions fails there?
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stonebro: Now you're just beating around the bush.

I'll ask again.

What is your INFORMED decision about the video you just saw?
Have you not read a word I've said?
It's a meaningless video.
There can be no informed decision about it because there is no information that is not purporting to be an abuse of power by people in authority. There is no reason explaining why they acted the way the did, no other side, nothing but a few clips showing a few seconds of some beatings, somewhere, for some reason that is not explained. It is propaganda, and should be treated as such - laughed at, then forgotten.

You either question it, its validity, its existence and its reason, or you just knee-jerk into rage against police force(s) and governments.

I choose to question. Just as you choose to knee-jerk.
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Lone3wolf: Have you not read a word I've said?
It's a meaningless video.
There can be no informed decision about it because there is no information that is not purporting to be an abuse of power by people in authority. There is no reason explaining why they acted the way the did, no other side, nothing but a few clips showing a few seconds of some beatings, somewhere, for some reason that is not explained. It is propaganda, and should be treated as such - laughed at, then forgotten.

You either question it, its validity, its existence and its reason, or you just knee-jerk into rage against police force(s) and governments.

I choose to question. Just as you choose to knee-jerk.
What brand of intellectual detergent are you using?

You still haven't answered my question. You know that the clip is real. Debating whether it is real is out of the question here. I can confirm that, at least, the clip with the girl is real. So have others. It's not far to jump to thinking the rest of the clips are real too, but if you don't want to, fine.

Is beating up a girl in a cell acceptable police force behaviour given the "correct" contextual information?
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Lone3wolf: There is no reason explaining why they acted the way the did, no other side, nothing but a few clips showing a few seconds of some beatings, somewhere, for some reason that is not explained. It is propaganda, and should be treated as such - laughed at, then forgotten.
There should be no beatings. Period. I understand the arguments coming from you and "I'm..an ass", but even if it's propaganda it is not meaningless, and your "choosing to question" is far different from claiming that the video should be "laughed at." There shouldn't be any laughing, either.

It should be clear from my earlier comments that I'm certainly not knee-jerking myself into a tizzy, but I'm not ignoring everything and claiming a higher intelligence plane either.

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Lone3wolf: I choose to question. Just as you choose to knee-jerk.
Frankly, you're taking the argument to the other equally ignorant extreme. That's about the size of this topic, and I don't think we have anywhere left to go.
Post edited May 20, 2011 by PhoenixWright
Just to end on a light-hearted note:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvFV8Oh5VHU#t=02m

:D
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Lone3wolf: It's a meaningless video.
There can be no informed decision about it because there is no information that is not purporting to be an abuse of power by people in authority. There is no reason explaining why they acted the way the did, no other side, nothing but a few clips showing a few seconds of some beatings, somewhere, for some reason that is not explained.
You're wrong. I'm all for debating the merits of something, but here you and that other idiot are just wrong. Incorrect. Ignorant of the simplest facts of governing law, the simplest morality, and regulation. It's called necessary and proportional force, and spouting off about context means you have no damn idea what that means, it means you have no idea why context is about as relevant to these videos as what you had for breakfast. You're both speaking from complete ignorance, and since you keep arguing from ignorance, it means you haven't bothered to educate yourselves on the subject at all.

So allow me. Professor Nondeplumage is here to give you a passing grade in not being fucking retarded in even trying to stand up for brutality. Shut that stupid little brain lizard up for a second and join the civilized world. You're wrong. In every way that someone can possibly be incorrect in this instance, you are. Both of you. Wrong.

Unfuck yourself. Stop being ignorant.
To punish and enslave !
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Lone3wolf: Have you not read a word I've said?
It's a meaningless video.
There can be no informed decision about it because there is no information that is not purporting to be an abuse of power by people in authority. There is no reason explaining why they acted the way the did, no other side, nothing but a few clips showing a few seconds of some beatings, somewhere, for some reason that is not explained. It is propaganda, and should be treated as such - laughed at, then forgotten.

You either question it, its validity, its existence and its reason, or you just knee-jerk into rage against police force(s) and governments.

I choose to question. Just as you choose to knee-jerk.
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stonebro: What brand of intellectual detergent are you using?

You still haven't answered my question. You know that the clip is real. Debating whether it is real is out of the question here. I can confirm that, at least, the clip with the girl is real. So have others. It's not far to jump to thinking the rest of the clips are real too, but if you don't want to, fine.

Is beating up a girl in a cell acceptable police force behaviour given the "correct" contextual information?
That'd be "Brain-On!", to keep your neurons firing in perfect order! You must be using the inferior rival "BrainEx!" :rolleyes:

The stock footage of the video may be real - but how has it been edited or changed for that maker's video? What's been left out? WHY was it left out?

What isn't he telling us to generate this unthinking, knee-jerk, anti-authoritarian reaction amongst the masses? What are his motives?

FER TEH LULZ! :rolleyes:

Link. Hmm, a 15year-old car thief, out in a stolen car at 0230? Insulting the officer AND his wife? Turning physically violent and causing injury?

And TWO juries were unable to decide whether his response was unacceptable behaviour? lol. Although he did lose his job...way to go, Justice system! Not quite so open-and-shut, anymore, is it? There's ALWAYS more than one side to anything...and everything.
But of course, you know that, amirite? Eh?

Neither side are [or were] entirely blameless, but ignoring 50% of the story to fit your own prejudices and preconceptions?? That's illogical, Jim.

:facepalm:


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nondeplumage: You're wrong. I'm all for debating the merits of something, but here you and that other idiot are just wrong. Incorrect. Ignorant of the simplest facts of governing law, the simplest morality, and regulation. It's called necessary and proportional force, and spouting off about context means you have no damn idea what that means, it means you have no idea why context is about as relevant to these videos as what you had for breakfast. You're both speaking from complete ignorance, and since you keep arguing from ignorance, it means you haven't bothered to educate yourselves on the subject at all.

So allow me. Professor Nondeplumage is here to give you a passing grade in not being fucking retarded in even trying to stand up for brutality. Shut that stupid little brain lizard up for a second and join the civilized world. You're wrong. In every way that someone can possibly be incorrect in this instance, you are. Both of you. Wrong.

Unfuck yourself. Stop being ignorant.
Have you even heard yourself? ROFL
That's good, where did you learn it? In kindergarten?
Basically, you're saying authority and government can NEVER have a reason to do anything, so everybody should ignore them, or overthrow them.
Why don't you move to Liberia, or Somalia? You should fit right in there. No law, no government, only chaos.

ROFL. Pathetic.

My last participation in this obvious troll-bait thread.

Gog staff should delete the line in their blurb about "Classy community" because it's definitely mob-rule here against any dissenter to the main view. :\ Has been since around the "Shutdown Prank". :(
Tbh Lone3wolf, you nullified your argument when you posited the possibility that the beating would be justified if one of the victims was a child molester. You don't understand the role of the police. They're there to enforce the law, not dish out beatings to people they assume are deserving.

The video didn't really say much, it was a backing to a song. Context is good, but the implications that context would in some way make what's happening acceptable is very naive indeed.

Also, I notice a few people chucking around the oldé "grow up kids" internet warrior spiel. Word to the wise, if you're using that then you're clearly not as mature as you would like others to think you are.
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Nafe: Tbh Lone3wolf, you nullified your argument when you posited the possibility that the beating would be justified if one of the victims was a child molester. You don't understand the role of the police. They're there to enforce the law, not dish out beatings to people they assume are deserving.
Exactly. I wanted him to come to that particular epiphany himself though, but alas, no luck.
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Lone3wolf: [snip]
Just read the above. It's what I was thinking two pages ago when you started. I'm amused that you apparently disagree.
Post edited May 20, 2011 by stonebro
Disclaimer: The below is a collection of clips that is intended solely as propaganda against the individual known as Lone3wolf.

Question Lone3wolf
Compiled by PhoenixWright

Prologue
I really have started to wonder recently, when and why this "classy" community started going off the rails, and downhill.....
End Prologue

You've all got brains, Haven't you?

That seems to be all they care about : Making a meaningless number go up, or forcing those of others to go down.

There are more important things in life to worry about.

Especially not the (mis)behaviour of self-entitled spoiled brats...
Fuck me, you're worse than I initially thought in this.
Christ, that's like believing the American Revolution in 1776 was not about the British taxing tea, legalising slavery and protecting the land-rights of the natives. (sic)

meh. Some people don't have the brains they were born with :P
O_o
That'd be "Brain-On!", to keep your neurons firing in perfect order! You must be using the inferior rival "BrainEx!" :rolleyes:
FER TEH LULZ! :rolleyes:
But of course, you know that, amirite? Eh?
:facepalm:
ROFL. Pathetic.

Epilogue
My last participation in this obvious troll-bait thread.

Gog staff should delete the line in their blurb about "Classy community" because it's definitely mob-rule here against any dissenter to the main view.
*opens the door* (get on the floor, everybody walk the dinosaur)
Hey guys, what's going on in...
*sees LoneWolf being lynched*
*leaves*
Post edited May 20, 2011 by Taleroth
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Taleroth: *opens the door* (gets on the floor, everyone walk the dinosaur)
Hey guys, what's going on in...
*sees LoneWolf being lynched*
*leaves*
Only you can prevent Lone3Wolf lynchings <points>.
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Taleroth: *opens the door* (gets on the floor, everyone walk the dinosaur)
Oh fuck man, I loved that song growing up.