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I've lost all interest in the Lord Of The Rings books and movies after watching this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU

Can someone who is a Lord Of The Rings expert tell me this video is full of sh*t so I can be interested in Lord Of The Rings again?
Lawl think is kinda funny! But hmm sorry i'm not a LOTR expert
Is this the one with the eagles? Of course it is full of shit.

a) How did Aragorn and the others get there? Before the attack on Gondor the way to Mordor was brimming with Orcs in the thousands. “One does not simply walk into Mordor.”
b) Would Sauron really be distracted by only a few soldiers?
c) Where are the Nazgul? Usually there would be several surrounding Sauron so the eagles could hardly have just flown past them.

Other but minor questions: Could Frodo really have let go of the ring? Couldn’t the wind have blown the ring away so it would miss Mount Doom? After all we know it does has a will on its own and can vary in size.
I will take a crack at this, as no means a LOTR expert, but a very dedicated enthusiast (I reread it every year).

Well yes, this is a "plot hole". But the point of the story (even the bastardized, though good in its own way, movie version) is not about the destruction of the ring, not really. The point is much more about the journey; at its heart it is really a "coming of age story" of a kind. It is about the seemingly weak versus the frighteningly powerful. It is a story of good versus evil, and the shades of gray in between.

That is a brief explanation in terms of the story itself.

Lore wise the eagles are not an express service you can call upon like a taxi. The eagles are (in)direct servants of Manwe (chief of the Valar, i.e. gods) and appear when hope and victory "needs" to be turned toward the 'good guys'. In The Hobbit and LOTR there is the parallel eagles appearing at the climax of a battle to help turn the tide in the favor of the protagonists. Similarly Gandalf is saved by the lord of eagles (after he dies from his wounds fighting the balrog on top of the mountain) because Galadriel is looking for him, and Manwe has just "sent him back" to the world so he can continue and fulfill his duty in Middle Earth. Before that Gandalf is saved from the top of Orthanc by the lord of eagles because he has not yet fulfilled his duty. These instances are not random occurrences that mean a troupe of eagles can just fly the Fellowship into Mordor and drop the ring into Mt. Doom.

I hope that helps answer your question, and you can go back to enjoying the books and movies.
Orcs have crossbows /end
Here's hoping Peter Jackson does a trilogy on the First Age of Middle Earth.
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SheBear: Well yes, this is a "plot hole".
No, it’s not. Unless you can address the holes in this alleged plot hole mentioned by me.
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SheBear: Well yes, this is a "plot hole".
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Demut: No, it’s not. Unless you can address the holes in this alleged plot hole mentioned by me.
The reason it I put plot hole in quotations is because I don't see it as an actual issue, hence "plot hole", rather than an actual plot hole.

My second paragraph also covers why I don't think it is an actual issue lore wise, while the first paragraph covers why it isn't an issue story wise. I agree with your dissection of the "How it should have ended" video, I was just answering the OP's question differently.
The Nazgul had flying mounts after their horses were destroyed by Glorfindel (NOT ARWEN, DAMMIT).

It is intimated that it may have taken them some time to recover from their defeat, but it's not clear. What is clear is that Sauron and Saruman both had spies all over the place (including airborne spies), a troupe of people flying towards Mordor on the Eagles would have been noticed well before they got there. Sauron was a powerful sorcerer even without access to his One Ring, I think flying into Mordor would have been moronic.
Post edited May 29, 2011 by orcishgamer
The real question is why didn't they give the ring to the moth to do it all for them instead.
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macuahuitlgog: I've lost all interest in the Lord Of The Rings books and movies after watching this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU

Can someone who is a Lord Of The Rings expert tell me this video is full of sh*t so I can be interested in Lord Of The Rings again?
Yes, I concur with the fellow GOGers who answered you (better than me) in this thread: that video is full of sh*t and you can enjoy the books and the movies! ^_^

But the video was funny, in fact ^_^
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orcishgamer: The Nazgul had flying mounts after their horses were destroyed by Glorfindel (NOT ARWEN, DAMMIT).
Have you really read the books? They already had these fellbeasts before the council at Rivendell. Even before Frodo and the others reached Bree.

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nondeplumage: The real question is why didn't they give the ring to the moth to do it all for them instead.
Moth? What are you talking about?
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orcishgamer: The Nazgul had flying mounts after their horses were destroyed by Glorfindel (NOT ARWEN, DAMMIT).
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Demut: Have you really read the books? They already had these fellbeasts before the council at Rivendell. Even before Frodo and the others reached Bree.

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nondeplumage: The real question is why didn't they give the ring to the moth to do it all for them instead.
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Demut: Moth? What are you talking about?
Read them in 2 languages in fact, there are multiple versions, so I'll grant there may be an alternate version in which what you say is true, but I'm not aware of anywhere in the copies I have that is says so (of course there's much additional source material, I'm speaking purely of the books).
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orcishgamer: Read them in 2 languages in fact, there are multiple versions, so I'll grant there may be an alternate version in which what you say is true, but I'm not aware of anywhere in the copies I have that is says so (of course there's much additional source material, I'm speaking purely of the books).
Err ... I’m not talking about any alternate versions. Don’t you remember the scene where Frodo and the others are wandering away from the Shire and after some time they hear a scream in the air and wonder what kind of strange bird could make such horrible noises?
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orcishgamer: Read them in 2 languages in fact, there are multiple versions, so I'll grant there may be an alternate version in which what you say is true, but I'm not aware of anywhere in the copies I have that is says so (of course there's much additional source material, I'm speaking purely of the books).
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Demut: Err ... I’m not talking about any alternate versions. Don’t you remember the scene where Frodo and the others are wandering away from the Shire and after some time they hear a scream in the air and wonder what kind of strange bird could make such horrible noises?
All nine are accounted for, on horseback by the time Glorfindel takes them down. I think you're reading the passage wrong, the scream comes from the rider coming down the road. I guess I could dig up the passage again, too tired tonight, I'll check again tomorrow.