I agree completely.
However, I expect HijacK will have something to say about all this once he returns from school.

I just got back from the movies to see we have went back to one-on-one's.

My standing right now is that I want to hear more from HijacK, since he has attracted most attention with his actions and posts lately. Even though I'm not too fond of his play in the last couple of real life days I don't want to give more momentum to his wagon just to get that lynch everyone is so eager to get. Remember that we still have about 10 more days until our deadline. I know everyone is pretty exhausted by D2 and wants it done, but let's not rush it just for that.


I'm with Krypsyn on this one. Why rush things just for the sake of it? Let's not until we clear things a bit more. Or we reach the dreaded deadline.

This seems like one of those interview questions mrkgnao mentioned. From now on, I will answer, "Let's Take As Long As Possible To Cover Every Conceivable Option And Reach The Deadline Every Time, Even If Trolls Eat Us In The Meantime", or LTALAPTCECOARTDETEITEUITM for short. :)

Last-minute wagons are usually the most easy to manipulate. Let's not do that either.

Would it be too difficult for you to briefly mention your opinion about the other five at this point? (I believe I already know your stance about Robbeasy)

So you have no problem with him publicly declaring that CSPVG has a power role (see my underline in post #983)?

So you have no problem with him claiming vanilla back in day #1? Do you think all vanillas should step forward and claim?

Sure, I don't look forward to voting because of the deadline. I just don't want to rush things, when we have a good amount of time on our hands and nothing too good to cling on. HijacK seems like the easiest choice right now and I'm not firmly against voting for him but easy usually isn't always the best approach. Especially when he hasn't made an appearance to provide his version.

Would you be so kind to share your list?

You were not my scan target, hence why I was suspicious that you have actually been attacked, until Krypsyn gave a new perspective on the matter. He may be wrong, or right. I think I'm more inclined to believe you were scanned by someone else, but I don't know for sure.

I am doing re-read and I noticed something we are doing wrong. Why the hell is D2 already almost 2x longer (in number of posts) than D1? D1 is supposed to be the longest day by far. This is not right. 11 pages (50PPP) in 11 days seems quite crazy. More so considering it contains bazilion of walls-of-text.


Krypsyn - there is nothing I could really point at, but I have feeling there is something off. And I like my feelings. On the other hand, I saw some town-tells from him. One in particular based on his meta. Sorry, I won't share it unless necessary, as it would likelymake it obsolete forever and you would laugh at me for it being stupid. For now he remains on my neutral pile with slight inclination for town (all rights to change this reserved).

Robbeasy - so far I haven't seen much wrong from him. My problem with him is, he seems bit too reasonable in this game. If I meta him, I usually get the feeling like he is more reasonable when mafia and less caring when he is town. It doesn't make him to get on my mafia shortlist. So off with him next to Krypsyn

Sage - not liking her at all. Plays too carefuly for my liking. Seems like she doesn't one to step on anyone's toes and gets somehow irritated when someone looks her way. Her most "aggressive" reads: "Hijack Kryspen, Darko, leaning a bit in the middle to scum". In that post yoglsoth is on the "leaning more town". 2 days later, after yogsloth includes her in leaning scum pile, she retaliate with textbook OMGUS vote. Sage's first in the game (she voted out-of-game player in RVS). I know, I know, I am not the one to talk about votes but up to that point there was not even hint she could be close to voting, so big "not offend anyone" approach.
I also took a look at her list of notes and I find it little bit "fake". I think some of it was made later to justify the vote for yogsloth. They were too negative about him considering he was "leaning town" 2 days ago.
I also took another quick look at G23 and I don't see the same Sage much. I know she was quite undecisive in last game, but she wasn't afraid to call someone scum. Here it is mostly tip-toeing around people and a lot of opinionless overviews.

yogsloth - had some awful posts at the start that could deserve vote on themselves but e was also instrumental in adalia lynch and he and HijacK made adalia crumble with their poking. Yog bit more than HijacK. His and HijacK's conflict with adalia just seem genuine and not contrived. Big +town points in their favour. It is also true that according to Good Old Mafiascum.net he was at the most scummy position of the wagon. (I have no personal analysis on that (boo me).) Not much fan of this post either. Says he felt safe in voting for adalia after some people agreed with him, voted and strengthened his opinion. Could be seen like he only joined when the wagon started to gain traction and he knew he can get town points. But considering he was the one to prepare it and this being his first game, his position is quite understandable from town POV.

HijacK - See above. His fishing (with dynamite) is nothing to cheer about, though, and he never voted adalia despite fighting with him.

trenton - Nothing much changed. Too defensive sometimes and gets irritated easily by being targeted. But was he like this in the last game as well? I wasn't there directly but my observer's memory tells me that not really. So could be annoyed townie. Would like to hear from 23rders. I am in favour of him being town right now as I feel he is trying to scum-hunt but having troubles sometimes after having to only fake it last game. Seems like he doesn't know how to act as town a bit. Feel free to correct me on his last game behaviour, though.
Dat baseless claim, though.

mafia shortlist:
dedoporno
Sage
Darko

Dedo is behind the other two.
I am not voting yet, as I have not finished complete reading of what I wanted and I need to sleep sometimes. (I stopped halfway in D2 and only read selected people since then). I'll make my best to get it done tomorrow.

If you are telling the truth there goes my theory, and once again I bring up something that is pointless. Not sure where to go with this now.

I apologize for the incorrect speculation and distraction this has caused.

If people would be willing to indulge me as Vitek has done please list your 3 people you would consider scummy. Yes this is an idea I am using from last game that flub came up with, but it has merit. If we can see where everyone is at and try and find some common ground then we can get out of this rut we are in and move the game along.

I am not saying that whoever is scum on most lists is an automatic scum, but it is someone we should look at closer and decide together how we should proceed.

My list:

Krypsyn
Dedo
Sage

Vitek has

Dedo
Sage
Darko

Robb has
Sage
Darko
?

Sage has

Krypsyn
Hijack
Trentonlf

mrkgnao

Trentonlf
Robb
Hijack

Yogsloth

Sage
CSPVG
Hijack

These are the most recent lists I can find, if anyone has changed please post it and if everyone else could please post a short list also. I really think this is a good idea so we can get some focus instead of everyone looking at everyone in suspicion.

If you look back at post 1104 in the middle of my notes it does state I started a re-read. I have also confirmed (in a different post) I may have been stuck on yogs and may have been seeing things that were not there.

( http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post1104 ) Since I can not reply to my own post.

EBWOP

mrkgnao has

Trentonlf
Robb
Hijack

yogsloth has

Sage
CSPVG
Hijack

As far as I can remember he wasn't like that in game #23 (when he was scum). However, I don't think he was like that in game #22, either (when he was town). Hence, my bafflement at his behaviour at the beginning of day #2.
But it's just my impression, didn't go back and read anything from those games.

Not really sure if I should expose what I found out during Night 1 or not anytime sooner than L-1, but I'm going to let players decide this.

As for why I am not moving my vote from CSPVG, let's just say my Night 1 scan kind of contradicts his claim, in some sense, however, I am not sure whether the one I scanned is a Godfather or not. Hence why I questioned the role of Godfather.

Are you sure that yogsloth has CSPVG? That sounds weird.