Yeah that's what I assumed too.
But I don't get why RB said in regards to Darko that he doesn't have blonde hair.


That's what I wanted to hear.
I am of that impression too, but I was getting lost in it yesterday and wanted to make sure we are both getting it the same way.
(I am going to flavour- and modgame here. I am not usually fan of it but it suits this game.)
It also means that for there to be blonde hair with handkerchief, the killer got into contact with nmillar.
First option is he targeted nmillar N1. It would be the most likely explanation but mr./mrs. handkerchief apparently visited me N2 and there was no mention of boot polish next night, so it looks like inconsistency and could perhaps refute this theory.
Second option is that the blonde hair got to handkerchief killer after nmillar visited him/her. It would of course mean Telika. But first, it was him who brought it to attention and second, he is connected with talcum already and I too ma of opinion that it's one thing per person.
Third option is that nmillar and Handkerchief visited the same person night before (it couldn't be the same person as nmillar went elsewhere), which would be Telika, meaning Telika is not part of mafia. EDIT: Hm, but CSPVG claim to visited Telika on same night as nmillar. He is already linked to silk and not handkerchief. Which also means there could be silk too together with blonde hair in handkerchief.
Fouth option could be that Darko is mr. Handkerchief and he is untargetable mafia and blonde hair got there from nmillar's visit that night. I am not too sure if it would work this way.
Most likely I found option 3, then 1, then 4 and then 2. EDIT: Not so mucha fter my edit of 3, but am not sure which one then.

That would mean Telika is town. I am still not sure about it because I can be wrong here and because of actual play here.

There is also option that Telika is making this all up but there is too many people who can confirm some of his "results".
Could still mean he used real results and added some false to throw us off but I am less willing to accept that option right now and it would could collapse too easy for him.


The fact I was targeted by Handkerchief and nothing happened to me that night, could mean he is some sort of mafia role cop of something iin similar vein. That would lend a lot of credency to CSPVG and Pina to be part of town.
Still, they can't be Handkerchief but they can be his accomplices.
Certainly they are not mafia together, though, as they both have accounted actions for N2 and 3 and it would require Telika to be scum too, which is impossible.
I find quite interesting (really just interesting, I am not accusing them of anything here), that they both targeted the same people all game so far. (Telika, flub and Darko)

Also, if we attribute all stuff to people, the handkerchief can only belong to Rodzaju, Darko, Red_Baron or JMich, right?
All of them are also people with the least accounted night activity in Telika's chart.
Another one with no actions whatsoever is flub but it checks with his lyncher claim and is connected to levander already.
There is little chance for him to be mafia too but I saw his town play from him and don't count him as option.
I am not going to discount Rodzaju only for his nmillar alibi at all, nor RB for being auntie.
Darko is probalby not Handkerchief, I trust his role. I only doubt he is town aligned and can be accomplice.
It leaves me with Rodzaju, Red_Baron and JMich.
You know how I feel about RB already so he would be me first bet, followed by JMich who is just the invisible master of lurking most of game. I admit that for JMich it would be quite ballsy to deny visiting me, but it can't be ruled out.

I am going to try something more in it later. I bet there is something I missed.


Also if we are going to name claim, I would really like if when someone isn't english, if you he/she could say so.
If people want Darko first I am fine with it, I ahve no preference. I would proceed with popcorn then, it is the fastest way.

This is a good point, that I have overlooked. I do not see a reason why the handkerchief visit to my blocked-door-with-blond-hair would have inherited a blond hair, and the silken thread visit wouldn't.

This blond hair is a mystery.

yeah, waht's up with that? Stop copying me, damnit!

Although somewhat justified as my motive to target Telika the second night was on the lines of "everybody visited him day 1, I should go and see if he's gifting cookies at his place or something"

Name opinions so far :

1) Vitek asked about it in 1560.
2) JMich is okay, in 1561.
3) CSPVG is for a darko fullclaim in 1563. Well, at least that.
4) Red "kinda did that" (1568 but that's not exactly an answer about who else should), but kinda implicitely agrees (i suppose) by confirming that Darko should go first if we do, in 1573.
5) P1na doesn't mind, in 1575.
6) Ah, yes, me. I don't mind a full nameclaim. But my main wish is a full roleflavorallclaim by DarkoD13. Again, if agreeing on fullname is the only way, I'm okay with that.

Darko, Rod, Flub ?

So you trust Telika as so far his claims go, but not his notion about me? Guess that makes for some odd twists in logic - I would be far more concerned by him not actually stating a story other than my name that I can recognize in regards to my role pm - which is my prime reason as to why I am uncertain how much I can trust him (I would assume that my nephew would have greater impact on my role story than being completely absent). Another is the whole area of those that should not be discussed. But still name claim could clear some things up.

As for blond hair and CSPVG (not darko) I am assuming it is a female dropping the hair, which might just be some odd bias of me imagining long blond hair unlikely to belong to a male.

My current lists are:

The assuming the unmentionable matters (and joe is not crazy) scum list:
CSPVG
Telika
SPF
? If we have really have more than 3...

My own maybe list:
CSPVG (bugged by useless results - claims of role having no impact so forth)
JMich
?
Maybe Vitek (so thats a double maybe)

Puzzling list:
Rodzaju
Flubbucket
P1na
Darko

The hair length isn't specified.

Eh, why not?
The fact I trust his claim doesn't mean I have to trust all his reads. Why should I?
He thinks I am town and yet he is not convinced by my arguments about flub. Is that wrong too?


Don't I have to be scum together with Telika to make it work? ;-)

What list are you going to actually use in game?
I could list different lists and include all players too but it wouldn't tell rest of you anything.

Maybe, but given that it is partly due to role pm, and partly due to those that should not be mentioned I am very uncertain how to judge this, so it really depends on what happens at the name claim thing, if it happens. Thus why I posted both as options.

As for the hair the length is just my own assumptions, combined with my should not be mentioned.. but rightly it could just be a blond mail.

I wouldn't object to a name claim if everyone is on board.

So :

7) Darko wouldn't object.
8) Flub : "At this juncture I would not have a big issue with name/role claim." (forgot about this, it was on post 1546)

Just about to start rereading the day.
Thought it was worth throwing in that I can get on board with name claim.

I think that's more than enough. No one have objections against it, so let's just start with it, it's not so much of deal.

Some people wanted Darko so he can start, he sould then name next person and so on.

'Kay, but in the case of Darko, we need more than his name. The point of all this is mostly to make sense of his role, flavor-wise. I'd like to know why he's here, what's he's doing in the forest (sleeping in the snow? up a tree?), and, well, more generally "who" he is, beyond a name dropping.

The stake is his credibility, as a role (invented on the fly, or described from Joe's actual PM).

I am fine with that if people want it.

Rosemary Pollit
Although not unfamiliar with loss, since I lost both my parents at a young age and my husband a few years ago, nothing could prepare me for the loss of my only child. Being around people that were close to my family only made the pain worse, so I chose seclusion. That lasted a year, until I received an invitation by an old acquaintance, Caroline Bianchi, whom I hadn't seen since I was a young woman. I thought that perhaps a change of scenery and meeting people that are not aware of all that I've lost would help, maybe even give me a chance to make a fresh start. Some people were indeed charming, others made me miss my seclusion and others I actually envied for their social skills. I was actually having fun until the killing happened, when all the feelings of despair came back with a vengeance. My nightly journeying into the snow is the only possible escape from the madness of the chalet. The cold, the silence and the tranquility of the snow are the only the things that can ease my sorrows. I don't know if it's the solitude of the woods or the distant happy childhood memories of a family vacation in the Alps that comfort me more. A part of me wishes I could stay lost there forever.