I suppose I might walk into a minefield right now ... but there seemed to be an honest question instead of the merry-go-round discussion about wasting time, minority votes, being wallets on legs and GOG being a business ... so I will reply here.

The downloader is not and was not a machine that had to be updated. It was mostly a program - software, just like word or any other software. So it was there and - as pointed out - also was not updated anymore. So we have an old software which is able to track a special URL (actually if you look inside the adalia fundamentals script you can even see how this URL was constructed out of the regular link and some prefix) to download the game. That's it - a special URL and a software that was able to work the URL. There also mighht have been a backend/router or whatever but you never needed any update for newer games because every new game automatically offered what was needed for the downloader to work: a regular URL. You also would not need another or updated browser to access new URLs. The game itself is completely irrelevant here. It does not matter if those files have been updated or not ... all the downloader did was locating some files the moment this special URL was used. So to make it perfectly clear: the only costs the downloader MIGHT sill have had would be the costs of letting those backend run ... a bit of energy and some minor disc space. I doubt that those minor costs were the reason they abandoned it. Even in GOGs PR reply joke (sorry, but I cannot take their answer serious at all) they said "It's obsolete" as "reason" instead of telling us that they don't want to afford the costs anymore or that they don't want us to use any other client than Galaxy. So if it were the costs .. why not simply tell us instead of offering us such a zero explanation? GOG and communication is a perfect fail and I love them for being what they are but I also hate them knowing what they could be and still some bad manager decisions (like "don't talk just wait) block them from shining perfectly and that hurts.

Most things that hurt us weren't intended to hurt because most people don't intend to hurt others. Still it does not make them hurt any less. Maybe we should simply try to be careful what we say, when we say something and when we better should say nothing at all and just listen and think. This is a general suggestion not aimed at anyone specifically.

This thread is 80% filled with your posts repeating the same thing over and over using the same arguments over and over ... as being said, we are not stupid or incapable of knowing what we do here and why we do it but this way it is as if you are treating us as such. Knowing that you don't WANT to insult, belittle, irritate or whatever does not mean that it is any less exhausting to go over the same arguments over and over replying with the same replies over and over. That is the problem. I don't think anybody is thinking that you are trying to be mean but this circle discussions are so extremely exhausting and THOSE are truly a waste of time .. which is the reason why I almost stopped to reply to your posts in this thread - not because I dislike you.

Yup but GameRager's posts have a collateral, positive effect. Mostly thanks to him this thread has not been buried and gone under the radar.

I like to believe the more this thread is visible, the more people liable shutting down the old downloader see (also even in the deep of their consciousness) our middle finger in front of their dumb face.

GOG Team has clearly proven they do not want confronting with consumers: Hell, remember how this decision has been told to us.

With an anonymous post! A green one, if I remember right.

So, imo, GameRager: you are welcome.

That is mostly an illusion, because some of us regularly posted to keep this topic alive, and we would have done that with or without him. In fact, he often buried informative posts, that I am sure most did not wade past his lengthy posts to find. In my experience most don't read back through many posts ... a norm I'm often guilty of myself.

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Very informative and right on the money all of what you said. Thanks for that.

It will have the same fate as any other threads or things that do not match GOG's business strategy / plan, and the veterans here will know the result.

It is a noble effort to make a replacement for the GOG Downloader, but as the offline installer are on the chopping block for many years now, the functional removal of this is a logical consequence. Just one little tip-toe steps at a time, also, they are called "backup" now, not offline installers anymore in GOG's terminology.

GOG will not ever revert this back, I'm afraid.

Maybe.

You could well be right, but I suspect there are different views, not only in the community, but also within GOG (staff etc) ranks.

Most, if not all of us, well and truly realize that by now, and to be honest, once GOG made their public declaration, albeit in almost a furtive manner, I suspected there would be no going back.

All that said though, it always pays to speak up, and not go meekly, especially if some in the GOG camp are on our side. Speaking up could pay dividends in other ways, in the future, and it also lets those who feel disenfranchised by this step of GOGs, know they are not alone. And above it all, ignoring the happiness of over 1600 customers, can never be a wise move ... unhappiness not being the same as disappointment, which some seem to mix up.

A person who never had a benefit, is never going to feel the same angst as a person that did, and then had it forcibly taken away .... and for no good reason, that has ever been properly explained.

Not good PR, and GOG should be concerned about PR.

Well that's more than some will admit(those who seem to think it was totally free for GOG to do so, I mean).

They likely had other reasons, but GOG being GOG they never tell us things much anymore.

You partially said it yourself here in this quoted bit....some won't take their answers seriously enough, and GOG possibly(in part) doesn't want to deal with the headaches of issuing replies and people waving them off.

Agreed on ALL of this bit 100%.....I also feel this way myself.

Good advice......still, I think it better to be blunt and open(albeit civil) than to coddle people too much. Take that fwiw.
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And with all the cr*p moves they make, the more reminders(of their cr*p moves and actions) they have in the public spotlight the better.

Thank you.....we all might not see eye to eye sometimes, but a kind word is still appreciated.

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The only informative posts I "buried" were perhaps the vote counts you and others posted, and it's not that hard to look back to find them(or to check the wishlist entry for the up to date count).

Also speaking of keeping the topics alive, the other one was sunk past page 1 for 2 WEEKS before a random soul bumped them to make one post & this one has been sunk for over a week without a post from anyone....not even yourself.

But PLEASE.....go right ahead and subtly(or not so subtly) tell us more about how my posts don't help at all and likely aren't needed.

You are totally ignoring a few very important things.

(1) The vote posts were perhaps the most important posts that we did not want buried.

(2) As I keep saying, people will only look back so far, some perhaps not at all.

(3) Why would newcomers look back far enough to find something they probably didn't know anything about.

(4) Newcomers were the ones we were trying to reach with the Vote posts, not those who had voted already.

(5) That wishlist thread is not exactly noticeable or easy to find most of the time ... even for me without my links here.

(6) And you have to know about something (or the possibility of it) before you will look for it.

(7) Once again, those who know enough to look, have already voted and so don't really need to revisit ... except maybe to pass the link on to others or to see how it is adding up.

(8) So burying the Vote posts, in all probability reduced the number of potential voters.

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I don't think I did, but i'll check each bit and see if I missed or ignored something.

The OP(if they didn't yet) could post the wishlist to the OP post and people can find it there(by checking Post #1) & then vote and/or check the current vote counts.

Also if any other users are seriously concerned/interested about this they should be able to make the time to find/ask for such information.

If the issue is important enough to someone they can easily take the time to find the vote count and/or link to the wishlist entry or ask someone.

(This reply bit also pertains to your 3rd and 4th points)

Question: even if a few votes were lost, what does that matter so much when YOU YOURSELF have admitted that GOG is unlikely to change their minds?

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Look.....this is what I keep hearing from you(and part of why I keep sticking to this topic):

"GR did or said x, and that's why this isn't doing so well" or "This other person did or said y, and that's why this isn't doing so well"

Essentially you seem to be doing an awful lot of mental gymnastics and handwaving to explain why the movement(to get GOG DLer back) is failing....including slightly dumping a bit on some of us(even if unintentionally) in the process....instead of just saying/admitting that it's probably slowly and naturally losing steam due to lack of interest(likely even from some who voted already who might have since moved on).

So please.....support your cause to the utmost.....but please put blame for it's failings where it is actually due, and don't unfairly and improperly shift blame for it's failings onto other users in the process.

(Heck, you talk about me burying vote posts....but seem to forget[or fail to mention] that I even posted some myself for a bit. I even have been bumping this every so often, which has likely also gotten some more attention for the wishlist and the issue at hand)
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To help out:

You keep failing to understand the most important bit of all, around which all the rest revolve.

(4) Newcomers (or potential voters) were the ones we were trying to reach with the Vote posts, not those who had voted already.

That means they often have no clue a Vote thread even exists, so they are not going to look for it or info about it here ... unless that possibility occurs to them.

And they may not see a post here about that if it means scrolling back a few posts (especially large ones) or a page.

Many who come to a topic, never read the opening post, because often they have come with something to say based on the title ... and just maybe they look at the last few posts ... or maybe they only read the opening post.

Then, you may have some who came to this topic earlier, before Voting was ever mentioned. Perhaps they only visit GOG once a month or so, and already have a notion of what this thread is about. We want to catch their attention too.

All of what I have expanded upon above, should be obvious with a bit of thinking. I'm not gonna keep doing this.

And with your question, you continually show you keep missing or forgetting the point ... or lack capability to understand or see past your own bias against my intelligence. Why would you even ask such a question if you respected me?

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We are up to 1651 votes now. :)

To everyone else:

There is a voting link to voice concern about the removal of the GOG DLer in the post above this one

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I get all that and say this again.....If someone truly cares about the issue they will ask about the GOG DLer somewhere......perhaps in a thread they make or(if they find these threads) here.

If they cannot do those basic things and don't care enough to spend some time to find the wishlist/etc then they most likely either: Don't care enough about the issue at hand OR are too lazy to do so.

In the former case that is their decision and should be respected, and in the latter....well, let's just say I don't believe in encouraging laziness.

Then wouldn't you say that it's more a positive thing that I bump these threads?

I mean, this way others can see them and perhaps vote for the wishlist entry....if I don't bump them and no one else does then how will people notice them?

I actually respect you as much as most others.

Note: Just because I respect someone doesn't mean I will agree with them 100% or never ever criticize them on anything that they post. In fact I believe that if someone one is friends with does or says something stupid/bad/wrong, that they should point it out or criticize it(albeit civilly) if they feel the situation warrants it.

That said....IF you meant the lost votes question, I was trying to make a point: If a handful of votes aren't posted to the wishlist entry GOG's reply would likely be the same(unless a ton of votes were lost, which could've had a major shot at influencing GOG's decision making re: this issue), so possibly losing a few votes off of it** likely wouldn't change things much.

(**=That is if a NET loss of votes occurred. With my bumps and links in some of them it's more likely my posts had a neutral effect on voting numbers more than a net loss)

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Personal POV:
(You sometimes take the time to reply to me[which is more than some have], and I somewhat liked our past interactions[before all this], so i'll be frank for a bit)

Look, I believe you started with and still have good intentions(re: this issue), but you seem to be letting this issue overly inflate your ego(as some sort of "savior" of the issue at hand and those affected....both with your wishlist links and vote counts, and then with your programs you're working on)....and in the process you seem to be falling into the same trap the user Rwarehall did(letting it get to his head and craving the positive attention, and somewhat putting down other people in the process).

You might not be able to see it, being the one doing such, but as an outside observer I can tell you that I notice some of the same signs Rwarehall exhibited in you(though in your case not as severe presently) now and it's somewhat disconcerting to see.

(I say the above with good intent, btw......as I used to like our prior interactions[and still do somewhat, though now a bit less] and dislike some of your recent behavior + treatment of myself/others.)

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To everyone else:

There is a voting link to voice concern about the removal of the GOG DLer in the post above this one

Really.

I apologize, I should never have replied. What an idiot I am .... will I never learn ... what was I thinking.

To be clear(if it didn't come out clear enough before) that didn't mean I respect everyone very little, just that I respect everyone the same while also sometimes criticizing them(in as civil a manner as possible) if I feel it is warranted.

Sometimes(due to me not being able to find the right words or being too "emotionally invested" when writing a reply) I don't say those criticisms as well as I could or should, though....and if any of that makes it come off as offensive to anyone then I apologize.

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My way of interacting with people: if I see something that someone does or says that is disagreeable(objectively, for the most part, but also subjectively/personally) I might point it out or even(as civilly as possible) criticize it if I feel it is warranted.

That is just how I am.....this does not mean I am trying to be a nasty person to anyone(even if it seems that way).....I just believe in being blunt and honest to people, even those I care about and respect, rather than hiding my feelings and stances every single time because it might possibly offend someone accidentally.
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I realize that you might've taken some things i've said over the months to heart and gotten offended. For that I apologize, as that wasn't my intention to do so.

That said, I ask that you(if you could) please read the personal POV section of the last post I made here(or once more, if you already did so before) and think about what it says and what I am trying to point out with it....as I wrote it with good intent(I don't want to see others fall down the same path that other user did...especially ones that seem to care deep down about others and the site like you do).

And lastly, good luck with your program.....it is nice to see others stepping up to help the site and user base like that, and hopefully it will do some good for a good number of people who want or need it.

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I apologize most profusely for encouraging him.

Say no more ... a nod and a wink to a blind bat.

There are none so blind as those who cannot see.

The Universe, she's a funny one ... has its little jokes now and then .... guess I asked for it.

Either you cry or you laugh ... or perhaps both ... a river of tears and laughter.

Good Old Monty.

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Oh give me a break.

So it seems I was right...you're a smug sanctimonious type who can't admit when they're in the wrong(who also seems to like stoking their own ego).....good to know that so I can stop wasting my time trying to be nice(as it seems to be lost on you) and know how to reply to you in the future.

(Also there was no need to SPAM the vote link again[I had posted it right above your post]...but then you likely knew that when posting it)

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To the thread itself(and maybe one certain user), I leave these quotes to ponder on:

"Judge not, lest ye be judged and found wanting"

and

"He who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones"

And those who can't swim are the worst swimmers.

The phrase you're looking for is "those who will not see" implying intention on their part, rather than inability.