htown1980: This whole time I thought we were arguing about whether the articles were referring to a different definition of gamer and here you are agreeing that they were. That's hilarious. I can't believe it took this long to get here.
Vestin: You are not right here, but are also not wrong...
When black swans were discovered, do you think that it changed the definition of a swan drastically? Do you think that thus swans were "dead" or "over"?
But that's too drastic, since it used to be assumed that
black swans didn't exist at all and couldn't exist. Have a different example. If most flowers you'd seen were blue, you may coin a fair definition that encompasses all flowers... but you have a connotation that it's most likely that thing with blue petals. When you suddenly find a field of purple flowers, what will that change?
The definition remains the same. The same it has always been. One might argue that no flowers need to exist for it to be a valid definition of a flower. We can define a dodo bird, can't we? Well - they're extinct. Dodo birds are DEAD. All of them. Literally. Should we thus abandon the definition? Should some other group of birds take over and claim the name of "dodo"? Hell no.
Do we have a definition of "liver" and of "LIVER", with the second word referring to some arbitrarily defined part of a liver? Damn right we don't.
Homonyms exist, but they refer to wildly different things. There's a reason for it - you're supposed to be able to easily tell through context alone what the person is talking about.
To claim that there USED to be a definition of "gamer" that went beyond what I've quoted (basically - one who plays games) is to LIE. It's simply NOT TRUE. The was no such definition. It's bullshit. Am I clear enough?
As long as we're using public language, trying to be understood by people with a decent command of it, we use the definitions that are commonly known. Some group of people may have certain connotations. They may commonly have emotional values clearly attached to certain words. While that is fine and dandy in principle, to do what they did in those articles is repulsive. They tried to say something about gamers under the guise of speaking about gamers, therefore insulting gamers while they only, allegedly, meant gamers. Then they claimed that there are no gamers, since there are so many gamers. See - we can do things with a language that go beyond logical arguments. We can use ambiguity to saw confusion. It can be fairly fun when used in jokes; it's absolutely unacceptable when used to manipulate people's emotions by writing articles meant to exploit language.
That's all well and good but the point is, we both agree that in those articles, at least on some occasions, the writers were not just using a definition of gamer that meant "one who plays games".
I'm happy that we can agree on that, the next issue is, why that is insulting.
htown1980: Now is your turn to give something back - what do you believe the purpose of these articles was? Do you think they were neutral, meant to convey information, or...?
I want your take on the matter, and I hope it won't be "I have no idea, I couldn't possibly say".
I am reluctant to attribute motive to a large group of people's actions. I am sure different writers had different purposes.
I haven't read all the gamers are dead articles, I've looked at the ones on kotaku, gamasutra, daily beast, and a few others. In general, I would have thought that the purpose of the articles was:
1. to earn revenue;
2. to opine that, notwithstanding that there have been some disappointing reactions to people like sarkeesian and quinn, the worst of those reactions are from the minority;
3. to note that gamers are no longer teenage boys (as they were when I started gaming in the early 80s) but are now a diverse range of people from all backgrounds, of all ages, genders, hair colours, etc.
4. for some authors, to challenge those people who still believe that gaming is for men only - and they are only a minority, I think there are only 2 people in this forum who I have seen who have expressed this view.
I don't think any article is neutral. I don't believe that is possible. I don't believe this is why you hire a writer. If you want something close to neutral, try reading an encyclopedia.