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Lifthrasil:
Could you please clarify victim's role (a modified watcher / neutral hunter): could he kill at night or it's just all about asking everyone for lynch, watch and kill or just watch?
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Cadaver747: Why couldn't you create an L-1 situation before that?
Because putting someone at L-1 creates a risk of accidental or "accidental" hammer.
Because Carradice was already asked to claim.
Because it was 4-5 so there was a chance that zazak, whom I thought more scummy might become the wagon.
Because there was enough players online to make this unnecessary in this situation.
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ZFR: Because putting someone at L-1 creates a risk of accidental or "accidental" hammer.
Because Carradice was already asked to claim.
Because it was 4-5 so there was a chance that zazak, whom I thought more scummy might become the wagon.
Because there was enough players online to make this unnecessary in this situation.
OK, I get it. Sounds good.
According to you (and many others I believe) this accidental (or not) hammer situation might benefit anti-town players, so either gogtrial can't count even though I replied with my vote for Carradice included in bold (301) to which I get also reply (310) or it was done intentionally.
And since you are so experienced in this game could you please help me to understand how is it even a pro-town to shout about PR and Nuking, also cursing mafia and jokingly (of course) admit hating being a scum (post 109)

Gogtrial, can't say for the others but I don't feel comfortable so if you please comment on how you haven't seen my vote from previous reply and not double check for L-1 situation. Also you mentioned that SirPrimalform was pinged several hours before, yes, but why not just put him again in a latter post?
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Microfish_1: I figured zazak got a d1 pass, thus my blindness towards that wagon. It is not that i don't see merit in it but that I have refused to vote him out of principle.
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gogtrial34987: To help me check up, did you mention your stance on giving zazak such a pass before?

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ZFR: L-2 if my count is right, but if you feel you need to claim, now is a good idea.
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gogtrial34987: Let's make it officially L-1:

vote Carradice

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Cadaver747: So many posts, and yet you haven't mentioned SirPrimalform <<<<MY VOTE FOR CARRADICE WAS 1 LINE BELOW>>>>>
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gogtrial34987: I pinged him several hours earlier, back in #283
Welcome A_Future_Pilot to this madhouse!

So, wagon analysis. From the point of view of scum, Carradice was likely to be town, so preferably they would've liked to stay off the wagon and let town lynch their own. Same probably goes for zazak. That means that there's an extremely high likelihood that both, but at the very least one of Genocide and SPF are scum. I'd also give good odds for one of ZFR and GameRager to be mafia, probably ZFR with the way he's going after Cadaver, while the explanation for Cadaver's misunderstanding is clear: he assumed that the day ending means the deadline had been reached, and so my hammer came just in the nick of time. (@Cadaver: that isn't the case; the day ends at deadline, or so much earlier as an absolute majority of players vote for one person.)

The only possible scum I see on Carradice's wagon is Pooka, as he might not have had a good chance for getting off the wagon.


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Cadaver747: According to you (and many others I believe) this accidental (or not) hammer situation might benefit anti-town players, so either gogtrial can't count even though I replied with my vote for Carradice included in bold (301) to which I get also reply (310)
Look at the reply again. I was replying to #300, which was on the previous page.
Interesting enough, that reply was another instance of you missing one of my actions, namely already pinging SPF earlier.

I guess it's possible that you're also an option for scum on Carradice's wagon after all, fearing it wouldn't take off on its own. Were you defending zazak with your vote?
Post edited March 29, 2020 by gogtrial34987
Editorial spirit possessed you afterall.
*sigh* Ok, consciously slowing down with posting. I'm always way too trigger happy when there's a new day to dive into after two days of quietude.

Belated happy birthday to Joe, and happy birthday to SPF!
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Lifthrasil:
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Cadaver747: Could you please clarify victim's role
He was Clear Rivers, a teen possessed by Alexie Gradie, Neutral Haunter.
(Modified Compulsive Visitor)

I will not specify the 'modified' bit further. But a little hint: read carefully! To haunt and to hunt are two different things.
A Visitor can visit someone. Compulsive means he has to do it each Night.
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gogtrial34987: Look at the reply again. I was replying to #300, which was on the previous page.
Interesting enough, that reply was another instance of you missing one of my actions, namely already pinging SPF earlier.

I guess it's possible that you're also an option for scum on Carradice's wagon after all, fearing it wouldn't take off on its own. Were you defending zazak with your vote?
I'm looking at it right now. Yes, the #300 post was crucial. I haven't see any mentioning of SPF pinging in your last vote post (see attached). And yes, I was you pinging SirPrimalform before. I just find it odd that you put Genocide, Trent and me, but on SirPrimalform in one last post.

So maybe using that line #300 was a good excuse for the accidental hammer, who knows.

I might subconsciously defending Zazak. To be honest I'm afraid of his active detective stuff. He mentioned that Carradice dismissed him agrressively before, the one after when he voted Zazak using cryptic code "I ABC...XYX" post (42) / then unvoted later (87). I wasn't able to find anything aggressive about that, but still Zazak initially put to scum: Microfish_1, Carradice, Trent, or ZFR (post 92). And I also find ZFR and Carradice behaviour a bit odd at that time.

SirPrimalform was also on my list and his posts are mostly logical and calm. However I tried to find any kind of at least slight mistrust between ZFR and SirPrimalform and come empty.
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gogtrial34987: while the explanation for Cadaver's misunderstanding is clear: he assumed that the day ending means the deadline had been reached, and so my hammer came just in the nick of time.
It wasn't clear at all to me until you made this post. I was completely going "what... the.. heck..."

However, at risk of doing another RedFireGaming, I'm thinking this derplears Cadaver. There is just no way scum!Cadaver would jump at me on his very post this Morning without a discussion with his teammate who'd have expalined this to him.
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gogtrial34987: ...
Dammit! You should know better! This is your first warning. Wait for more than 10 minutes before sending a subsequent post unless someone bumps you inbetween.

Since this seems to be a merge and not an intentional modkill-invitation (i.e. an edit), I will let you off with a warning. But the next merge may have dire consequences.
Post edited March 29, 2020 by Lifthrasil
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gogtrial34987: *sigh* Ok, consciously slowing down with posting.
For what it's worth, I saw the double post.
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gogtrial34987: *sigh* Ok, consciously slowing down with posting.
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ZFR: For what it's worth, I saw the double post.
Thanks.
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ZFR: I'm thinking this derplears Cadaver.
That's the second time you're trying to derpclear Cadaver in the same game.
EBWOP:
I'm looking at it right now. Yes, the post #300 was crucial. I haven't seen any mentioning of SirPrimalform pinging in that post (290, also see attached). And yes, I have seen you pinging SirPrimalform before (283). I just find it odd that you put Genocide, Trent and me, but not SirPrimalform in that post (290, and no SirPrimalform from (283).

So maybe using that line #300 was a good excuse for the accidental hammer situation, who knows.

I might subconsciously defending Zazak. To be honest I'm afraid of his active detective stuff. He mentioned that Carradice dismissed him agrressively before, the one after when he voted Zazak using cryptic code "I ABC...XYZ" post (42) / then unvoted later (87). I wasn't able to find anything aggressive about that, but still Zazak initially put to scum: Microfish_1, Carradice, Trent, or ZFR (post 92). And I also find ZFR and Carradice behaviour a bit odd at that time.

As mentioned before SirPrimalform is also on my list of suspects and his posts are mostly logical and calm. However I tried to find any kind of at least slight mistrust between ZFR and SirPrimalform but come up empty.

@All: What is "derpclear"?
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Cadaver747: Question: also please clarify for me, since we lynched the neutral haunter possed by Alexie Gradie, could it mean that we have at least one more neutral haunter. And what is a "modified watcher" is it a lyncher with possibility to kill at night???
I don't know what a "modified watcher" is. Why do you ask? None of the flips contained that term.