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This all just started in the midwest states for us.. went from 0 to 9 over night and from 10 to ̶1̶0̶,̶0̶0̶0̶ edit: It's 100,000 now suspected. all schools and colleges are shutdown and every event where more then 100 gather is shutdown.

Toilet paper, meat, paper towels, hand sanitizer, bottled water, bread and all cold medicine is gone from nearly every store. anything fresh or dairy is almost gone from the shelves.
Post edited March 13, 2020 by Starkrun
Come to think of it, its weird that nobody remembers the close-to-catastrophic H1N1 outbreak in 2009 and how people handled that. Its particulary impressive compared to the numbers we know from the H1N1 outbreak during 1918, which was by far the worst modern disease outbreak I know about, not counting Black Death and diseases like that. A lot can be learned from 2009 alone.

At any case, I give this outbreak 3 months until its over and thats me being pessimistic. Place your bets!

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Starkrun: This all just started in the midwest states for us.. went from 0 to 9 over night and from 10 to ̶1̶0̶,̶0̶0̶0̶ edit: It's 100,000 now suspected. all schools and colleges are shutdown and every event where more then 100 gather is shutdown.

Toilet paper, meat, paper towels, hand sanitizer, bottled water, bread and all cold medicine is gone from nearly every store. anything fresh or dairy is almost gone from the shelves.
Don't believe any number, its most likely 500 new infected at worst. A infection that may be worse than corona may be a memetic one. This is exactly the greatest time for disinformation, especially if it benefits scammers. My rule: Keep your body warm but your mind cool and don't panic.

To be honest, its 16 days from your example and not 2 as the incubation time is 14 days. So every government should've made precautions 14 days ago. Even just adhering to basic hygene standards can help people a lot. If you go outside and adhere to basic hygene (as described by the WHO), you will get way less likely infected with absolute certainty. And if you have rubbergloves that you can throw away like those from a hospital, a SURE risk of infection goes down from 100 to only 2 or 1 percent, because most people get infected by touching a part of the surface that was already touched by someone already infected. The virus usually survives around 12-48 hours on flat surfaces. The coronavirus is nothing special so 24 hours should apply. Just remove the gloves like a nurse would and you should be fine, even if you have covid on your gloves. After removal, toss the used gloves inside a bin, wash your hands and make sure that you don't touch your face before that. Only touch your face after washing your hands and make sure that the surfaces that you've touched with your gloves are clean as well (should take around 2-5 minutes to clean).

If you don't use gloves, use a piece of paper if you touch a flat surface, after touching the surface with the piece of paper between the surface and your hands, throw away the piece of paper and don't touch the side that touched said surface. And only touch your face only AFTER washing your hands. Don't touch your face while you're in public at all and the risk of infection already deceases significantly as well :>!

I think if people just believe that EVERYONE is infected (kinda like helping against jitters if you're an actor) and act accordingly in public, all while adhering to the WHO rules, this entire odeal could be over within the next 6 weeks to 2 months. But perhaps its just me thinking of people as reasonable beings who don't freak out all the time so they can have toiletpaper wars lol.

EDIT: Thought you meant the actual number of infected and not just an idiom, haha.
Post edited March 13, 2020 by Dray2k
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Starkrun: This all just started in the midwest states for us.. went from 0 to 9 over night and from 10 to ̶1̶0̶,̶0̶0̶0̶ edit: It's 100,000 now suspected. all schools and colleges are shutdown and every event where more then 100 gather is shutdown.

Toilet paper, meat, paper towels, hand sanitizer, bottled water, bread and all cold medicine is gone from nearly every store. anything fresh or dairy is almost gone from the shelves.
Sheesh, I'm in the Netherlands and yesterday at least my store was still fine, though I did buy a 10kg bag of rice and a kingsize package of toilet paper in preparation of isolation. Not like it can hurt to have that stuff anyway.
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real.geizterfahr: Of course. We have hospitals and they're pretty good, too. They're even some of the best ones. It's just that they lack the capacity to take care for everyone if something like COVID would break out. Life on an island is... different sometimes.
Well it's good to hear you at least have some medical support where you're at. :)

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real.geizterfahr: Just as an example: A few weeks ago you couldn't buy any meat or fruits and vegetables (anything that's fresh) because there was a storm for two or three days. Everything we have here comes by ship and when ships can't get to the island, things become scarce really quick.
Idea: Why not have some residents grow what can be grown in small private gardens or even community gardens? Or do you guys/gals do some of that already for some veggies/fruits?

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real.geizterfahr: I'm in a lucky position. I'm running a few websites and don't depend on tourism that much. I've started a new business that partly depends on tourism, but I still have the possibility to minimize the work I put into it and do more for my other projects.
That's good to hear.

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real.geizterfahr: But the majority of the people here will suffer. Everyone was happy because after a looooong winter (early end of season last year) the season was already knocking on the door. In fact, we already had many (for this time of year) tourists here. Now we have a higher number of cancelations than bookings. The Island lost 1 1/4 seasons in a row now (assuming that this year will be a total failure, which is quite realistic). And as I said: Tourism is basically all we have here. I guess on Balearic Islands (and some other regions in Spain) COVID will manage to kill some people without infecting them :( This'll be as bad for Spain as the last financial crisis (which led to unemployment rates of 30% and many people losing their homes).
This sucks, though.

BTW, I think landlords/banks/etc should give people leeway during such times as it's a big crisis for many people.....what do you think?
I'm from Italy as dr.schliemann, I live near Rome and I work in Rome, specifically in touristic areas full of people everyday from morning to evening. From yesterday my work was suspended till date to be defined. While I was coming back at home, I took some pics I would like to share with you where you can see "via del corso", "piazza del popolo" and "via condotti". Search on the internet the name of these places if you want to see how they were before this situation.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1tgqtfdfs/99d7f8c4/
Post edited March 13, 2020 by XzAr_79
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XzAr_79: Search on the internet the name of these places if you want to see how they were before this situation.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1tgqtfdfs/99d7f8c4/
Beautiful and scary in a ghostlike way at the same time.
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sanscript: Stack up on both toilet paper AND lotion and you have everything you need :D
Except that when it comes to TP, it's kind of becoming a treasure hunt for I mean, are people eating it /reselling it or what! Went to do my weekly shopping today, ended up going to 4 shops just to gauge the level of lowliness some seem to have fallen to and sure enough: empty shelves.

Not that I am surprised of course but still, WTF! I couldn't help but laugh when the friend living in Hong Kong was telling me in a very colorful way about the TP hoarding going on over there, well now it's his turn to laugh and so welcome to his world indeed.
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XzAr_79: I'm from Italy as dr.schliemann, I live near Rome and I work in Rome, specifically in touristic areas full of people everyday from morning to evening. From yesterday my work was suspended till date to be defined. While I was coming back at home, I took some pics I would like to share with you where you can see "via del corso", "piazza del popolo" and "via condotti". Search on the internet the name of these places if you want to see how they were before this situation.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1tgqtfdfs/99d7f8c4/
Like "ghost towns"...or necropolises. :\
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That gave me a thought: If this spreads worse and to my area & they enact such restrictions i'm still gonna mill about in my yard/etc, even if it breaks the law....if i'm gonna get sick/worse i'd rather do so while enjoying myself and not be huddling waiting for the worst like a trapped rat in a cage.

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Flyingfluffypiglet: Except that when it comes to TP, it's kind of becoming a treasure hunt for I mean, are people eating it /reselling it or what! Went to do my weekly shopping today, ended up going to 4 shops just to gauge the level of lowliness some seem to have fallen to and sure enough: empty shelves.

Not that I am surprised of course but still, WTF! I couldn't help but laugh when the friend living in Hong Kong was telling me in a very colorful way about the TP hoarding going on over there, well now it's his turn to laugh and so welcome to his world indeed.
Many likely have enough food to last them.....TP is useful to keep one clean during such and also very practical.......and it's not just TP, btw: Bottled water, etc are also selling out in many places.
Post edited March 13, 2020 by GameRager
I hope everyone stays safe and healthy through this. It's already hard to get food etc where I live with people stocking up. Madness.
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GameRager: Many likely have enough food to last them.....TP is useful to keep one clean during such and also very practical.......and it's not just TP, btw: Bottled water, etc are also selling out in many places.
There is a difference to be made between stocking up -reasonably- and hording TP, and here we are dealing with pure and simple hording. Last time I checked -and here I will speak about the UK, there is absolutely as of yet nothing warranting such hording, and none of the lines of supplies are cut, compared to Italy for instance, we are still extremely lucky for now.

My take on this in my corner of the woods anyway.
The UK has a censorship campaign underway whose main task is to stop misinformation but it could also silence any reports they don't want getting out there.

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GameRager: BTW, I think landlords/banks/etc should give people leeway during such times as it's a big crisis for many people.....what do you think?
They could get low cost loans where most of the interest goes straight back to savers who have been harmed by the last decades financial services and state actions.
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Flyingfluffypiglet: There is a difference to be made between stocking up -reasonably- and hording TP, and here we are dealing with pure and simple hording. Last time I checked -and here I will speak about the UK, there is absolutely as of yet nothing warranting such hording, and none of the lines of supplies are cut, compared to Italy for instance, we are still extremely lucky for now.

My take on this in my corner of the woods anyway.
The problem is many don't stock up and people tend to panic in many cases and go overboard.....it doesn't mean all are trying to be rude/etc to others....many just cannot help it.

(Of course you ALSO have scum trying to buy to profit off of this by gouging others.....they I have next to no sympathy for)

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Spectre: They could get low cost loans where most of the interest goes straight back to savers who have been harmed by the last decades financial services and state actions.
You mean the tenants? Good luck with that....over here you need collateral in many cases and many people don't have any.

(Also after the lending debacle of the 2000s many banks got more strict handing out loans to such people)
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GameRager: The problem is many don't stock up and people tend to panic in many cases and go overboard.....it doesn't mean all are trying to be rude/etc to others....many just cannot help it.
You are way more lenient than me, for beside it being obvious that way too many panic, what is also obvious is that way too many couldn't give a rat's behind about others. I'd bet all my socks that if you come across someone with say a trolley filled with TP and give them good silent look, they'll quickly look down and scram, knowing exactly what they are doing and its implication.

That's one I'll sure put to the test if I have such encounter.
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GameRager: Of course you ALSO have scum trying to buy to profit off of this by gouging others.....they I have next to no sympathy for)
Hoarding picked up here today. There's still plenty of stuff but you can definitely see people are stocking up, some empty shelves here and there. It'll probably calm down in a couple of days but apparently there's already some 'scum' trying to resell TP on one of our big local secondhand trading sites... I can only imagine punching the guy in the face when picking it up to be honest.

For some strange effects of the virus, there's this Thai village that's getting terrorized by starving monkeys right now because the tourists are staying away because of the virus... if you want to see a good representation of what my faith in humanity is like watch what happens when one of the monkeys actually gets a hold of a banana in the video.
Post edited March 13, 2020 by Pheace
A new study published in Lancet finds that COVID-19 can live inside body -- even with treatment administered -- for up to 37 days.

[url=https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30566-3/fulltext#bib33]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30566-3/fulltext#bib33[/url]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-can-live-in-your-body-for-up-to-37-days-according-to-new-study/
Post edited March 13, 2020 by kai2