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I might be wrong but I think that on the main page of OpenRA they stated something about plans to bring more games including Red Alert 2 along with Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun (C&C 2)

You can read about plans for C&C 2 on their page here:
https://www.openra.net/about/

And here is the OpenRA mod for Red Alert 2:
https://github.com/OpenRA/ra2

Instructions here:
https://github.com/OpenRA/ra2/wiki
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Post edited September 28, 2023 by Cadaver747
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Sachys: "abandonware" isnt a legal term for "do what you want" anywhere as I know. and i know quite a bit on these matters.
I never claimed that it is. It's not that I disagree with you, my argument here is that a law that isn't actively enforced isn't much of a law other than on paper. That is painfully obvious in certain parts of the world.

There's also the "fair use" argument one can invoke in these matters, but whether it stands up to scrutiny or not in court depends on a lot of factors. Still, I doubt we'll ever see anyone brought to court and convicted for personal use of a piece of software that not even the right holders care about any longer. Distributing it is an entirely different discussion altogether.

It's not that I condone piracy, but if it's the only way to procure a long lost classic for personal enjoyment, well then what other option is there? Should the right holders want their due they simply have to make it available for sale somehow/somewhere and they will get it.
Post edited September 28, 2023 by WinterSnowfall
There's a huge difference between "abandonware" and "pirated software".

"Abandonware" - as the name already suggests - has been "abandoned as a means to make money" by its rights holders.

In other words: "abandonware" is usually software, for which the rights holders decide, not to sell it anymore on the first market.

Reasons for that can be manifold.

What that means, of course, is that you - as a potential buyer of that software - also can't legally acquire it anymore, anywhere on the first market.
Even if you would like to.

"Pirated software" on the other hand, is software that gets downloaded for free, despite still being available for paid purchase on the first market.

In the case of "pirated software", you - as a potential customer - still have the option to legally purchase the product on the first market and pay the devs/publishers their fair share for it.
But you deliberately choose not to.

The first case ("abandonware") takes place in a legally grey area (the violation of copyrights, etc. which are still in place, is usually ignored by the rights holders and their law departments in case of "abandonware"), while the second case ("pirated software") is outright illegal and a financial harm to the rights holders.
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Sachys: "abandonware" isnt a legal term for "do what you want" anywhere as I know. and i know quite a bit on these matters.
What I want is to pay good money for the games that deserve my attention, but in cases where there is nobody who would take that money in exchange of a new copy or a reasonably priced old copy, I may have to choose a less ideal solution and will not lose any sleep over it.
Abandonware and pirated software - it's the very same for me, "abandoware" just a pretty word for it. I have absolutely no moral issues with downloading a game which I can't get legally from a digital store, or in some cases free of charge from dev's page. But I wouldn't be so open minded about such practice and would not call it "normal". I prefer to never discuss with anyone, even with close friends, what game I illegally obtained. But I would rather get the game illegaly than pay huge amount of money for some physical copy on eBay, Amazon or similiar store. At the same time such games are automatically placed into my "must buy list" which I morally obliged to buy from any digital store in my vicinity, even if all the money goes to *evil* publisher and nothing is left for original creator.
In Europe, it goes: if nobody cares for a game, neither to sell to update, or to support, the game is abandoned. It cannot be sold it can be played. It's like this and it will stay like this. (as far as I know, the UK is a Europe)
I hope it will stay like this forever. Amen.

I understand that different places have different laws. Well, block the sites then, don't weigh your superstitions on the rest.
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Seb3.7: In Europe, it goes: if nobody cares for a game, neither to sell to update, or to support, the game is abandoned. It cannot be sold it can be played. It's like this and it will stay like this. (as far as I know, the UK is a Europe)
I hope it will stay like this forever. Amen.

I understand that different places have different laws. Well, block the sites then, don't weigh your superstitions on the rest.
Care to cite the legal precedent?
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Seb3.7: In Europe, it goes: if nobody cares for a game, neither to sell to update, or to support, the game is abandoned. It cannot be sold it can be played. It's like this and it will stay like this. (as far as I know, the UK is a Europe)
I hope it will stay like this forever. Amen.

I understand that different places have different laws. Well, block the sites then, don't weigh your superstitions on the rest.
Um, no. On all counts.
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idbeholdME: actual abandonware
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Sachys: legally speaking it is still piracy
Does it really matter? No one is going to care if a game can't be acquired otherwise. I'm certainly not going to lose sleep at night over getting a game that no one is interested in selling (or that is stuck in legal limbo due to a rights ownership clusterfuck).
Post edited September 30, 2023 by P-E-S
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idbeholdME: actual abandonware
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Sachys: legally speaking it is still piracy
It literally says to buy the game on that page. Its not piracy in this case.
Generally speaking, pirate sites tend to just let you download the game rather than the only option being a link to the game's store.

Besides, doesn't piracy imply that something has been stolen? If it has been abandoned and the owning company no longer sells it or supports it, then how it is stealing? No one is making money from it either way, which is argument against piracy, that game devs are losing money because of it.

Personally I would prefer if RA2 came to GOG instead of the abandonware sites. Abandonware may be free, but getting it to run can be a bother at times and a GOG RA2 copy will be much easier to get working.
Post edited September 30, 2023 by CthuluIsSpy
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Seb3.7: In Europe, it goes: if nobody cares for a game, neither to sell to update, or to support, the game is abandoned. It cannot be sold it can be played. It's like this and it will stay like this. (as far as I know, the UK is a Europe)
I hope it will stay like this forever. Amen.

I understand that different places have different laws. Well, block the sites then, don't weigh your superstitions on the rest.
In Europe, abandoned games can't be sold but can still be played. This practice is unlikely to change. Blocking sites based on superstitions isn't a solution.
And cnc3 and 4 all of them are good and worth playing
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Seb3.7: In Europe, it goes: if nobody cares for a game, neither to sell to update, or to support, the game is abandoned. It cannot be sold it can be played. It's like this and it will stay like this. (as far as I know, the UK is a Europe)
I hope it will stay like this forever. Amen.

I understand that different places have different laws. Well, block the sites then, don't weigh your superstitions on the rest.
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Amy1133: In Europe, abandoned games can't be sold but can still be played. This practice is unlikely to change. Blocking sites based on superstitions isn't a solution.
Playing a game is not the same as download it

For now there is no such legal term. What is defined as "abandonware" is still under copyright laws, so downloading it is still illegal overall

Abandonware is not a legal term or license, it is a movement

EDIT: Take my answer relevant to Seb's previous post. I believe this Amy is just a copypaster bot at school
Post edited October 03, 2023 by Gudadantza