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kohlrak: Yeah, they're offended and outraged on behalf of someone else. They're not genuinely concerned about the issue, or they'd spend much, much more effort. It's like the people who come to me saying they want to learn programming, but then can't be bothered to learn things like hex-decimal or binary. Oh no, the concept of assignment is too difficult and burdensome. Frankly, i'm sick of wasting my time on these "students."
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Orkhepaj: what do they need those for?
Maybe they used to be "journalists"? ;)
Whot??? but they did prove how agressive race games influences the driving styles of beginning drivers???

The restrained educated part of the population performs fine playing agressive games, outside tedious unexplainable online forum behavior.....

We know there's been an increase of people sensitive to any form of stimulation

Of course, aggressive people will always find their way

Its like how crime rates exploded when the USSR became Russia and Friends

I do belief on a case per case basis that denying certain individuals the right to play an aggressive game will benefit their surroundings
That politician is just cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
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rojimboo: Gun control saves lives.

It's been shown.
Like sometimes people got saved by not wearing a seat belt. I know one such person... he was catapulted out of the car which was completely destroyed moments later.
Or a an acquaintance of a friend had his life saved by a snake bite - he had a heart attack and at this moment was bitten by a snake. The medics said, that saved his life, the poison actually prevented cardiac arrest, and the antidote was administered quickly enough.

Anecdotal evidence ftw, everyone should have a cobra at home...

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Zimerius: Whot??? but they did prove how agressive race games influences the driving styles of beginning drivers???
The world used to be such a peaceful place before video games had been invented.
Post edited February 28, 2021 by toxicTom
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rojimboo: Gun control saves lives.

It's been shown.
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toxicTom: Like sometimes people got saved by not wearing a seat belt. I know one such person... he was catapulted out of the car which was completely destroyed moments later.
Or a an acquaintance of a friend had his life saved by a snake bite - he had a heart attack and at this moment was bitten by a snake. The medics said, that saved his life, the poison actually prevented cardiac arrest, and the antidote was administered quickly enough.

Anecdotal evidence ftw, everyone should have a cobra at home...

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Zimerius: Whot??? but they did prove how agressive race games influences the driving styles of beginning drivers???
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toxicTom: The world used to be such a peaceful place before video games had been invented.
ah yea sure, like this whole videogame discussion is a not a global peepshow for concerned parents
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Zimerius: ah yea sure, like this whole videogame discussion is a not a global peepshow for concerned parents
My little one is currently in love with One Finger Death Punch 2. I'm waiting for her to look at me like this.
Post edited February 28, 2021 by toxicTom
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rojimboo: Gun control saves lives.

It's been shown.
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toxicTom: Like sometimes people got saved by not wearing a seat belt. I know one such person... he was catapulted out of the car which was completely destroyed moments later.
Or a an acquaintance of a friend had his life saved by a snake bite - he had a heart attack and at this moment was bitten by a snake. The medics said, that saved his life, the poison actually prevented cardiac arrest, and the antidote was administered quickly enough.
Wow yeah. There's also more drownings during summer when people eat a lot more ice cream. Therefore ice cream causes drownings. The scientists probably discovered that, you're right. And peer review was like 'yea this makes sense'.

Wow dude. You're on to something. Correlation means causality. Always. Science 101.
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rojimboo: Wow yeah. There's also more drownings during summer when people eat a lot more ice cream. Therefore ice cream causes drownings. The scientists probably discovered that, you're right. And peer review was like 'yea this makes sense'.

Wow dude. You're on to something. Correlation means causality. Always. Science 101.
Note to self... don't post when tired. I read you as "guns save lives", I'm sorry... probably because I just had that discussion with someone else who kept pestering me with "if everyone was armed there'd be no crime".

Again, I'm sorry, I read the opposite of what you were posting.
Post edited February 28, 2021 by toxicTom
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toxicTom: Note to self... don't post when tired. I read you as "guns save lives", I'm sorry... probably because I just had that discussion with someone else who kept pestering me with "if everyone was armed there'd be no crime".

Again, I'm sorry, I read the opposite of what you were posting.
Oh right! :)

No worries. I jumped the gun (!) then too.
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rojimboo: No worries. I jumped the gun (!) then too.
Also because your comment really didn't make any sense. His examples were pretty clear cases of cause and effect and not random corrrelations like your ice cream idea. ;)

I think the point was that you can find anecdotal evidence to "prove" anything, even if it sounds absurd. You might even find that one guy who turned to car theft because of GTA, if you look hard enough. XD
Post edited February 28, 2021 by Leroux
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Leroux: Also because your comment really didn't make any sense. His examples were pretty clear cases of cause and effect and not random corrrelations like your ice cream idea. ;)

I think the point was that you can find anecdotal evidence to "prove" anything, even if it sounds absurd. You might even find that one guy who turned to car theft because of GTA, if you look hard enough. XD
True.

Though the whole comment chain made little sense to begin with. Why bring up anecdotes when someone points to studies? Are most studies based on anecdotes? I don't think so at least. Even the poor quality non-peer reviewed ones. They might be dishonest and hiding poor methodology, but to base the whole study on 'this one time, at band camp, my friend had ice cream and then went swimming and drowned. so there must be some relation with ice creams and drowning, we must conclude' seems to never happen (i hope).

Anyways, I've read some of the studies back in the day and they seemed quite rigorous in their methodology, correcting for different kind of biases with statistical methods and so on. But I also have (maybe too much) trust in the peer review process of high impact ranking journals.

I would have had a lot of copypasta from previous debates if someone had argued against it. Alas, I will just play more vidya games.
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wolfsite: This would be a full ban regardless of age, apparently he is blaming the rise of car jackings on video games..... rather than doing some real work.

This is clearly garbage as time and time again it has been proven that there is no correlation between violent video games and any type of crime or misdemeanor.
Reminds me of 'Heavy metal is bad for the youth' and trying to ban those. Then banning comics. Then banning D&D. Then banning violent videogames in the early 90's.

There's always activists that don't see how stupid it all is. I've seen states wanting to add extra taxes on sugary drinks, try to classify 'pumpkins' as 'Halloween decorations' to push another tax on it (Washington state), and organizations that want to ban any type of trans-fat sugar coffee and cigarettes. Then there's PETA that would want us to be vegetarians or eat bugs.

Truthfully if he bans the games... i don't see how he'd enforce it. At best the stores would still sell boxes because they are only selling 'codes' and there's no data there, or steam or downloading video games couldn't be stopped. Even if you could, VPN's would hide and get around that easily enough. (VPN's are actually pretty nice after using one for a while myself). Only by cutting all electricity could he succeed but that's like firing a nuke to take out a mosquito...

I think with the political climate, tensions are high enough that people probably won't take any small amount of BS where they would have a year or two ago. I think things are quickly going to come ahead, be it video games, politicians, censorship, firearms, food, jobs, imported goods, movies, TV shows, overseas wars, Right to repair, DRM, microtransactions, or any other little thing. And i don't think it will be pretty.
Post edited February 28, 2021 by rtcvb32
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wolfsite: This would be a full ban regardless of age, apparently he is blaming the rise of car jackings on video games..... rather than doing some real work.

This is clearly garbage as time and time again it has been proven that there is no correlation between violent video games and any type of crime or misdemeanor.
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rtcvb32: Reminds me of 'Heavy metal is bad for the youth' and trying to ban those. Then banning comics. Then banning D&D. Then banning violent videogames in the early 90's.

There's always activists that don't see how stupid it all is. I've seen states wanting to add extra taxes on sugary drinks, try to classify 'pumpkins' as 'Halloween decorations' to push another tax on it (Washington state), and organizations that want to ban any type of trans-fat sugar coffee and cigarettes. Then there's PETA that would want us to be vegetarians or eat bugs.

Truthfully if he bans the games... i don't see how he'd enforce it. At best the stores would still sell boxes because they are only selling 'codes' and there's no data there, or steam or downloading video games couldn't be stopped. Even if you could, VPN's would hide and get around that easily enough. (VPN's are actually pretty nice after using one for a while myself). Only by cutting all electricity could he succeed but that's like firing a nuke to take out a mosquito...

I think with the political climate, tensions are high enough that people probably won't take any small amount of BS where they would have a year or two ago. I think things are quickly going to come ahead, be it video games, politicians, censorship, firearms, food, jobs, imported goods, movies, TV shows, overseas wars, Right to repair, DRM, microtransactions, or any other little thing. And i don't think it will be pretty.
Also....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMi24dPAYf8
Let me repeat:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Entertainment_Merchants_Association

The above US Supreme Court case specifically prohibits banning violent video games.
Whenever i see lawmakers pushing ill conceived laws, it is always the same 'tunnel vision' effect going on.

They focus on the problem people they want to interdict and how to interdict them. The effectiveness of the law and the new problems that the law may create are often poorly considered/debatable....

But the one thing lawmakers care least of all and almost never bothered to consider, are all the law abiding citizens who will be disadvantaged by the new law. Law abiding citizens are unimportant, what is important are the few problem people.

This above attitude runs riot in most western countries, but at least in America you got the constitution working overtime to hold back this tide of government contempt for the freedoms of law abiding citizens.

I will never understand why it is necessary to goose step all over the freedoms of law abiding citizens to control fringe elements... there has got to be a better way.
Post edited March 03, 2021 by mystikmind2000