Posted January 07, 2023
my name is anime catte: Ah, so it's Frau Reinhardt vs the OED?
And did she explicitly teach you "Some people will try and use a singular They, but they are bad and wrong!"?
Or did she simply not teach you about it at all?
BreOl72: She actually never said anything to that regard. So, I guess, she didn't teach us all the ins and outs of the English language, huh? And did she explicitly teach you "Some people will try and use a singular They, but they are bad and wrong!"?
Or did she simply not teach you about it at all?
Well what does that tell us about the UK school system? After all: she had been taught her English there, and then continued to teach it to new generations (Brits and Germans).
Now I have to wonder why she never taught us that...can you think of any reason?
my name is anime catte: ...did she explicitly teach you "Some people will try and use a singular They, but they are bad and wrong!"?
If [so], well that would be evidence of its use existing.
BreOl72: Sorry, but huh? If [so], well that would be evidence of its use existing.
my name is anime catte: She wouldn't have an opinion on something people didn't do, after all.
If the latter... well the lack of a positive is hardly evidence of a negative. So she neglected to mention one particular aspect of English, does it mean it doesn't exist?
BreOl72: Covering all the bases here, are we... ;) If the latter... well the lack of a positive is hardly evidence of a negative. So she neglected to mention one particular aspect of English, does it mean it doesn't exist?
my name is anime catte: If you think something that was first attested in 1375 is a butchering of the language just you wait until you see what Shakespeare did to it! Boy are you going to be pissed off, he made up so many words.
Incidentally, you never addressed my point about the word You and the fact that it has transformed from a purely plural word into also being a singular... much like Sie has in German. There are words that can be both plural and singular, and They has been one of those for a very long time.
BreOl72: The German "Sie" has as long as I live and quite some time before that (I'm not going back to the stone age here) been used to address (A) a singular female, and (B) a group of persons of all genders in plural. Incidentally, you never addressed my point about the word You and the fact that it has transformed from a purely plural word into also being a singular... much like Sie has in German. There are words that can be both plural and singular, and They has been one of those for a very long time.
No recent changes made to that.
And you haven't addressed the elephant in the room, that being the fact that singular They is attested as far back as 1375. It is no modern butchering.
BreOl72: No need to find some semantic loophole.
I repeat: nowhere did I actually claim "to be right" and "to outrank the OED".
BreOl72: I repeat: nowhere did I actually claim "to be right" and "to outrank the OED".
my name is anime catte: You're not very good with subtext and implication are you? If you ignore evidence then it can be expected that you consider it somehow 'invalid'. If you ignore the OED then you think you know better than them.
BreOl72: Why do I have the feeling, I'm listening to a broken record? I said my part on that. Accept it, or let it be - I really don't care.
my name is anime catte: I have no doubt you have, and their motivation is doubtless the same as yours - some misguided attempt to be anti-woke. Even if singular they was truly a neologism, why is it getting singled out? Because it is perceived to be "woke". If this was really about recent changes in the language there would be much bigger fish to fry, never mind the fact that this is demonstrably not a recent thing.
BreOl72: Ah, back to imagining things and call them "facts",I see. Ok.
Another broken record, then.
BreOl72: According to Catte, we apparently weren't taught everything the English language has to offer.
It's pretty amusing that you think it's even possible that English taught to you in school could be "everything the English language has to offer". clarry: Given the state of political discourse today, it doesn't surprise me at all. Expressing disagreement with whatever constitutes the currently accepted way of being politically correct is a good way to get you instantly categorized as a racist sexist right-wing neo-nazi bigot. And it's not like you could change anyone's mind. What good outcome could possibly come out of such a discussion?
It's more the fact that it's provably been part of the language for hundreds of years and people still try and deny it. What reason might they have to ignore facts? Well the reason their games aren't on their account is that they just opened a new account. Until they come back and provide some more info there's nothing anyone here can do.
Post edited January 07, 2023 by my name is anime catte