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kohlrak: Response moved
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morolf: Did the "Starship troopers" thread get deleted? Why??? Can't one talk about anything even slightly controversial here?
Now I've got a permanent pink dot for "forum replies" because I had unread replies in a deleted thread...this sucks.
We can talk about slightly controversial topics here. Just look for locked threads. But apparently nazism (and islam, since thread about it was deleted also) are off limits.

As for the dot, write to tech support - they will reset something. I had the same problem.
Post edited November 05, 2018 by LootHunter
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morolf: Did the "Starship troopers" thread get deleted? Why??? Can't one talk about anything even slightly controversial here?
Now I've got a permanent pink dot for "forum replies" because I had unread replies in a deleted thread...this sucks.
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LootHunter: We can talk about slightly controversial topics here. Just look for locked threads. But apparently nazism (and islam, since thread about it was deleted also) are off limits.

As for the dot, write to tech support - they will reset something. I had the same problem.
We're allowd to talk about objectification of women, racism, and how certain users are nazis, but not nazism itself, race, or ethics concerning women. In other words, we're allowed to point fingers at other users and call them names, but not talk about intellectual things. At least, that's the way it seems to work here.
Moon, as others have mentioned, was a surprise hit for me. I like sci-fi movies that can give the viewer a sense of the loneliness, isolation, and coldness of space. It offers the viewer an opportunity for self-reflection and contemplation that we don't often have access to in the busy, comfortable life we have on Earth. Hard to express exactly what I'm trying to say here with text, but that's the best I can do for now.

I'll throw in another vote for Gattaca. Well-rated, but isn't getting enough recommendation in this thread. Also, I'll disagree with the sentiment that Firefly doesn't need to be watched in order to really enjoy Serenity. I would very much recommend that the series be watched before the movie (it's only 14 episodes, so not a huge time-commitment, and it's an awesome show anyway).

Looper and Arrival lose my vote for the same reason: the endings. I won't say much here as to not spoil it for those who haven't seen them, but I thought the endings were atrocious in both films. The ending of Interstellar is equally bad, but gets a pass from me for pulling off certain true-to-science elements in the film that no other sci-fi movie ever has.

Since Event Horizon and Sunshine were mentioned, I'd throw in The Thing (1982), but it may not be quite sci-fi enough for this thread. I'll also throw in The Road (2009) since Children of Men and The Book of Eli were mentioned, though it's mostly pure post-apoc themed and not sci-fi. And for Cronenberg fans (someone mentioned The Fly), check out Videodrome (1983) and Naked Lunch (1991) if you like his style.

I don't have any more 'smart' sci-fi movies to add to the list, but I will list some random, decent sci-fi movies that haven't been mentioned yet in this thread (since others have listed some non-smart sci-fi films as well):

THX 1138 (1971) - Mentioning this and The Island since Logan's Run was also mentioned.
The Island (2005)

Cloud Atlas (2012) - Great if you have an interest in the idea of living multiple lives, spanning multiple time-lines. Similarly-themed to The Fountain (2006), but with much more sci-fi elements.

Edge of Tomorrow (2014) - Mentioning this one since time-related themes seem popular in this thread.

K-PAX (2001) - Not sure if this one is considered sci-fi but it's pretty great.

Minority Report (2002) - A bit surprised nobody mentioned this one yet.

The Right Stuff (1983) - Not sci-fi, but a great film to pair with an Apollo 13 viewing.

And here are some more traditional, mindless ones since Running Man and The Last Starfighter were mentioned:

Alien (1979) & Aliens (1986)
Demolition Man (1993)
Pitch Black (2000) & The Chronicles of Riddick (2004)
Predator (1987)
Prometheus (2012)
Signs (2002)
Soldier (1998)
Stargate (1994)
The 5th Element (1997)
The 6th Day (2000)
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (2005)
The Terminator (1984) & Terminator 2 (1991)
The X-Files Fight the Future (1998) - For fans of the show
Tron (1982)
Universal Soldier (1992)
Wargames (1983)
War of the Worlds (2005 remake)

I'm a huge fan of 80's and 90's films, so it's hard for me not to mention the cheesy, mindless ones when talking about sci-fi.
Post edited November 12, 2018 by Qwertyman
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Caesar.: Interesting. If the director changed the original screenwriter's vision, he succeeded. At least with me, that's the impression I got.
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kohlrak: Judging from the comments section of the video i watched, he only made minor changes to accomplish this goal. Overall, the government is still a meritocracy, and service caters to disabilities, so no one's screwed just because they're disabled. Contrary to fascism, speech is not censored, but promoted (misinterpretation is understandable, given the focus on state sponsored messages), militarism is voluntary (you only loose the right to vote, which is tied to proving you don't have special interests by requiring service), government is regulated by a constitution, leaders admit mistakes, and the list goes on. Society is largely free, as evidenced by the pilgrims getting slaughtered by the bugs (they chose to ignore reason and became victims of evolution).

Have a good watch, because of this video i actually want to see Starship troopers, now. The government outlined seems absolutely fantastic.
Got a chuckle from this. Bravo.
If you are interested in cyberpunk, Johnny Mnemonic is well worth checking out. Its based on a story by William Gibson (the guy who pretty much invented the modern genere of cyberpunk as we know it).
Its got action but its also got a great story behind it (its definitely not mindless action in the way of Star Wars or the like).

If you like TNG, Star Trek First Contact is well worth putting on the list, IMO its probably one of the best of the Star Trek film outings.
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Post edited November 12, 2018 by Paraharaha
Define smart. LOL! kinda subjective that one actually... XD

Anyway, some of my favorite sci-fi movies without brainless action has to be

Bicentennial Man (1999)
The man from Earth (2007)
Moon (2009)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
The Black Hole (1979)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
2010: The Year We Made Contact (1984)
Cargo (2009)
Interstellar
Cube 1 + HyperCube
Arrival (2016)
The Martian (2015)
Capricorn One (1977)
WarGames (1983)
Her (2013)
Dune (1984), Frank Herbert's Dune (Mini-Series 2000), Children of Dune (2003)
Super 8 (2011)
The Triangle (Mini-Series, 2005)
Flight of the Navigator (1986)
Europa Report (2013)
The Final Countdown (1980)


That's a pretty good list in my mind, enjoy ;)
Post edited November 13, 2018 by sanscript
Dark, which just aired its second (out of three) season, is probably THE definitive series about time travel, the paradoxes that come with it and concepts such as causal determinism.
Highly recommended.
There have been waves of interest in science creating pockets of popular movies over the years. Typically a lot of really good movies are made, and then some less good ones, and then none are made for a while and then a new one kicks off the trend again.

One such era where sci-fi was popular is the fifties, during Hollywood's celebration of the optimism of post-war commercial expansion. I quite like Forbidden Planet (1956), for instance, because it tries to address the known limitations of of interstellar travel. (With the excellent baritone of Walter Pidgeon, dispensing sententious wisdom to Leslie Nielson, in a pre-comic leading role.) The film has borrowed from Shakespeare (specifically, The Tempest, though not the dialogue, of course!).

Some of the issues it notes include travelling faster than human bodies can tolerate; I particularly liked the fact that the crew had limited resources, so when exploring the remote planet, the lead engineer is forced to deconstruct the ship* to build a communicator powerful enough to transmit to Earth. The film also does well to familiarize the audience with the new 20th-century science of psychology.

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A lot of the movies mentioned have been made from books that I read first, before watching; Starship Troopers is based on Robert Heinlein's two-part serial that was then published as a book in 1959 (winning the Hugo Award, 1960).

To quote the wiki:

The story is set in a future society ruled by a world government dominated by a military elite, … and draws parallels between the conflict between humans and the Bugs, and the Cold War. … Starship Troopers also critiques U.S. society of the 1950s, argues that a lack of discipline had led to a moral decline, and advocates corporal and capital punishment. …
Writing in his 1980 volume Expanded Universe, Heinlein would say that the publication of a newspaper advertisement placed by the National Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy on April 5, 1958, calling for a unilateral suspension of nuclear weapons testing by the United States sparked his desire to write Starship Troopers. …
The rights of a full citizen, to vote and hold public office, are not universally guaranteed, but must be earned through Federal Service. Those who do not perform this service, which usually takes the form of military service, retain the rights of free speech and assembly, but cannot vote or hold public office. … Important government jobs are reserved for federal service veterans. … A 1997 review in Salon categorized it as a "philosophical novel". … Some contend that the novel maintains a sense of irony that allows readers to draw their own conclusions; others argue that Heinlein is sermonizing throughout the book, and that its purpose is to expound Heinlein's militaristic philosophy. …
Because it is a philosophical novel, necessarily the concepts lose a little in the translation to the silver screen. (There's less show and more tell, so the film either becomes too wordy or lacks nuance.)

Interestingly, Heinlein wrote it while he was finishing Stranger in a Strange Land, which (AFAIK) has not been made into a film.

In 2012, the US Library of Congress named it one of 88 "Books that Shaped America". If you haven't read this book, specifically, or any Heinlein, then I recommend starting with it. :)

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* Trivia: The ship is called C57-D, which is referenced by Josh Whedon in Serenity, ship having that name. So if you like Whedon's work, then you'll probably like what he likes, and he likes this film.

edit: loose spelling lost (^_^)
Post edited July 13, 2019 by scientiae
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Crosmando: I am looking for some good sci-fi movies, NOT mindless action but smart problem-solving type stuff. Like a Star Trek TNG two-parter. Any ideas?
Take a look at all Marvel movies, all of them are sci-fi. You are gonna enjoy them
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Crosmando: I am looking for some good sci-fi movies, NOT mindless action but smart problem-solving type stuff. Like a Star Trek TNG two-parter. Any ideas?
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Demix1: Take a look at all Marvel movies, all of them are sci-fi. You are gonna enjoy them
So... which part exactly of "NOT mindless action" did you find confusing?
Cashback is a bit strange. The main character has the ability to pause time, and uses it to take the clothes off people, and draw them naked. It's not listed under the category sci-fi, but he stops time. So that's sci-fi to me.

Ex Machina is pretty good. It has to do with someone trying to prove whether an AI can be passable as a human. The AI is within a feminine robot body.

Dark City has to do with a race of aliens keeping humans in an endless loop of experiments within a city.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. It's more of sci-fi love story, but what if people had the ability to delete someone from their memories?

Before I Fall. A high school student is stuck reliving a day that ends badly for her.
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Demix1: Take a look at all Marvel movies, all of them are sci-fi. You are gonna enjoy them
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Breja: So... which part exactly of "NOT mindless action" did you find confusing?
Idiocracy might've been intended as just a comedy, but...
Prolblem with Idiocracy is it;s too selective; Judge ignores the idiocy you see from young hipsters trying despertly to be cool, and the stupidity of people despertly trying to be intellectuals.The targets he picks are too easy.

As far as good science fiction movies goes, "Forbidden Planet" is one of my favorites;it's a retelling of Shakespear's 'The Tempest" in a Sci FI setting.
I really disliked "I Robot" because of what it did to the Isacc Asimov book:turned it into just another Sci Fi action movie, and not a particularly good one at that. I really expected more from the director of "Dark City".
Verhoeven's "Starship Troopers" is fun, just don't confuse it with the Heinlein novel.
In fact, I think Hollyhwood pretty much fails when it comes to filming classic sci fi novels. The 1984 "Dune" has some nice visuals but the storyling is a total mess from trying to cram too much into two hours. Trying to fit the Herbert novel into Two hourse is like trying to fit Lord Of the Rings into two hours.\
Maybe the upcoming Villaneuve two part film of Dune will finally give us a really good film of "Dune".
And, yeah, I have a hard time taking anybody discusisng a movie based on a sci fi classic who has not read the novel seriously.
Blade Runner, 2001.