I'm surprised by the lack of reactions to my wanting to off Lift.

You two precisely on D1. We've all discussed doctor on D2 but I can't remember exactly the discussing how doctor works (role blocker) on D1.
I'll reply to your post after 11 mins.

Perhaps it doesn't conclusively make him scum, the thing is that LASER has spent the entire game so far messing with us. He's acting to the detriment of the town regardless of his actual win condition. Having said all that, I still think he's more likely scum. The complete reversal of his logic between the previous game and this one is a big red flag as far as I'm concerned.

Huh, I saw your earlier post but took it as musing. Maybe I'm tunnelling too hard on LASER to see it but I haven't had a strong scummy vibe from Lift. Still, I don't have a strong objection either, I've not been strongly townreading him.

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I've kind of skim read my way up to date. I see Pooka wants to fire this evening, I'm ok with that now we know that hitting the bulletproof wouldn't end the day.

Reads as they currently stand:
Pook-Pooka-Pookina - Town
Carradice - Townish
Cristi - Townish
Lonzi - Neutral
GameRager - Neutral
Lifthrasil - Neutral
Cadaver - Neutral/leaning-scum
LASER97 - Scummy
scene - Supplemental/scummy

Ha. A sentence snipped from the middle of a post. The whole post reads in a very different way:

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Shirley has mentioned that using a shot has the risk of meeting the Bulletproof scum. A good old filling lunch does not offer that risk.

@POOKIE, you CAN save your shot for another game-day.

However, if you feel that you ABSOLUTELY must use it in the present game-day, I would suggest this:

1) Get a list of the most suspicious people. This means bandwagons by Joe Broadway. Also, a chart of suspicion like the ones you already know, if you wish.

2) With that knowledge, shooting someone who will be taken to lunch anyway does not make much sense. HOWEVER, what if you shoot someone whom you think very scummy and who does not seem to be rank up in the suspicion list?
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Plus the ZILLION posts on the issue after that one.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_66_lunch_at_gogs_restaurant/post629

Especially the very revealing #632 where we discussed exactly this issue.

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Hey, I do not say save it for later neither shoot now. I would not have done what Pookie did, period.

What I am trying to do, as well as Shirley Primalley, is getting the best of a bad situation. Pookie says she is the vig on Day 2. She expected to remove the odd couple. Only that, once invested, she found that she cannot.

Where do we go from there? Her plan A failed. If she is the real thing and she shoots someone who was going to be shot right away, she did all this for nothing. Not only that, she puts Town at risk of a no-lunch that is ENTIRELY AVOIDABLE. Mark these words.

So, in order to do something rational, she ought to do one of these:

1) Shoot someone who is NOT going to be taken to luch soon, if she is REALLLY conviced.

2) Hope that the lunch hits the Strong Arm. It is a lucky shot, but if that is the case, she might be protected by the Doc. It would not matter if she cannot use her shot, since the shot might be best used later in the game. But this is a LONG SHOT.

Mark again my words: I would never have done this (probably, neither would you, nor many others). This is being, a priori, damaging for Town. But if subbing and getting in Pookie’s shoes, I would probably go for 1) if such a target existed. Who knows, there is some chance of hitting the Strong Arm anyway.

However, there are other factors. Like, that we play for winning but also for fun. No one except Pookie is in her shoes right now.


What do you think about that? MIght such a player exist?
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Then I asked in #635 for your reason to want the shoot fired Because at the time the mod had not explained that the game would go on, and everyone believed that we would be thrown into the Action phase without a lunch. But now you do not consider that.

I do not know why are you intent on throwing shade, but I do not like it.

Bump, I am here and catching up

I do not know. He is starting to make sense, after all. There is no one I really want to linch, so go ahead with your gut. Any others you might be considering?



@Cristine: Thanks.

Well, scene comes to mind.

I cannot recall if you thought of Primalley, but if you did, I would very much prefer that you do not shoot her.

I quoted you where you exactly proposed that. You do not care now, you were now. It's fine to change your mind since we were not sure about game setup.

Yes, SPF also proposed lynch Laser but not the shot. He later clarified that it's because he has vives that Laser is bulletproof, that very same vibes were given by Lith as well later on. The basis that Laser was so eager to get killed is actually good but stupid for Mafia altogether, we'd lynch him, Scene soon afterwards anyway.

Yes, I quoted you. Lith and You were discussing how Doctor role words on D1. It's nothing to be ashamed of and I used it as an example for Pooka to show that a real doctor would most likely aim you two. I doubt that a real doctor would discuss his role in any way, he would rather use his chat with OP.

Yes, like I said I told Pooka about you as an example why Doctor would not like to aim Pooka for any reason. Your reaction is understandable but curious.

I never lie and I quoted EXACTLY what I told you. You can't tell what I can and what I can't say. Read me as Mafia if you feel like it. And I was not throwing shades actually, I was discussing the odds. Can't say I feel you: discussing Scene and Laser is OK but not you???

Seriously I'm careful with my quotes. And I don't understand the change in tone of yours.

You play in game with GameRager where he was mafia and you town? Do you see a difference in town!GameRage vs. scum!GameRager.

What is your current read of GameRager?

Yes, he was Mafia and he tricked me into thinking that he just having fun and killed me on one night. Can't see any difference at all and can't say I know town!GameRager, his identify have not been proved and he can be anyone, it's the same *I'm shady GR* like before. GR is a DarkHorse and you can't change it, no one can.

>>> Please bump anyone!

There is a way of misquoting, and it is snipping an isolated sentence, stripping it from its context and presenting it in another context. That way, a string of words might end up being interpreted in very different ways, especially about the intention of the speaker.

I am still wating for your "doc quote..." And the explanation for your request for the Doc to do this or to do that, which was scummy as it goes.

In Mafia, I have always had a very hard stance against role discussion or fishing that might be helping scum. For all I know, the Lift has maintained such a strong stance too. That you choose precisely that matter to throw shade is both outrageous and unfair: you really did not pay attention?. I do not know if it is misinterpretation of the texts, but I do not see you asking or wondering, you go directly to the accussation, then demand things from the Doc in order to look Town. All those little things do not add up and end up feeling wrong.

Bump

Bump?

How did you know you needed a bump before posting..?

Check *overreaction* from Carradice and tell me. Also bump me again.