Oh, yes I fail to realize many things... certainly. SPF suggested a lynch instead of day shot. That would be the same as asking Mafia: *Dear Scum, would you please give us, the Town, an opportunity to use a day shot later. Surely you wouldn't have a problem with that, right?*. And then SPF read Laser as Scum even after his vote, wasn't be reading him as Scum before?
If Pookie shoots the Bulletproof - Town will have 1/3 of Mafia for the next lynch and could easily root out the *connected* Mafia, they could even not lynch that bulletproof Mafia and leave him for later as *unnecessary stuff* (a mannequin no one is interested in).
1. If Pookie shots a Mafia (incl. Bulletproff) - it's a win situation for Town and lose at the same time since now Mafia will look elsewhere for a cop
2. If Pookie shots a Town - it's a lose-lose situation for Town
3. If Pookie will not shot - it's a fake (crazy Town vanilla, stupid Mafia) - it's a mixture of both, don't want to discuss it now, maybe I can't say much, but in this case Mafia might want to kill Pookie just to be certain (I would do that in their place), but I'm *not realizing the implications* so... I would rather lynch a fake, and that fake could shot the most suitable target on L-1 to redeem himself/herself and check his/her luck.

If Pookie will shot Laser, who WAS half-dead anyway - it's indeed a waste - that's why I ************ (insert any curse word here) what Pooka did!!!

I agree that shooting Laser is a waste, shooting someone else is not.
I don't think Mafia would let Day Shooter live to give Town an opportunity but they might, again to search for a cop - anyway Mafia should be happy with that role revealing.

It will not change the fact that I don't like Lith's and yours way of thinking (*let's save that shot for later*) - it's now or never. SPF is fine, but not that fine maybe, since *let's lynch someone instead of shooting is more or less the same as saving a bullet for later.

But if for some reason you think that Pookie is just another crazy Town vanilla and want to trick Mafia into killing her - well, I don't want to think about it either. Like I implied before Town don't play like this - it's a Crazy Town.

Hey, I do not say save it for later neither shoot now. I would not have done what Pookie did, period.

What I am trying to do, as well as Shirley Primalley, is getting the best of a bad situation. Pookie says she is the vig on Day 2. She expected to remove the odd couple. Only that, once invested, she found that she cannot.

Where do we go from there? Her plan A failed. If she is the real thing and she shoots someone who was going to be shot right away, she did all this for nothing. Not only that, she puts Town at risk of a no-lunch that is ENTIRELY AVOIDABLE. Mark these words.

So, in order to do something rational, she ought to do one of these:

1) Shoot someone who is NOT going to be taken to luch soon, if she is REALLLY conviced.

2) Hope that the lunch hits the Strong Arm. It is a lucky shot, but if that is the case, she might be protected by the Doc. It would not matter if she cannot use her shot, since the shot might be best used later in the game. But this is a LONG SHOT.

Mark again my words: I would never have done this (probably, neither would you, nor many others). This is being, a priori, damaging for Town. But if subbing and getting in Pookie’s shoes, I would probably go for 1) if such a target existed. Who knows, there is some chance of hitting the Strong Arm anyway.

However, there are other factors. Like, that we play for winning but also for fun. No one except Pookie is in her shoes right now.

Small EBWOP (Lith's thinking added)

It will not change the fact that I don't like Lith's (*Pooka is genuine else the real vig would have shot the fake right away*, *unless Lonzi is a vig*) and yours way of thinking (*let's save that shot for later*) - it's now or never. SPF is fine, but not that fine maybe, since *let's lynch someone instead of shooting is more or less the same as saving a bullet for later.

So yesterDay it was Laser and now it's Scene, and you haven't voted Scene yesterDay but Laser for a brief moment while reading Scene as Town. What have changed about Scene??? Nothing! Don't believe you. If you wanted to shot Scene you could have just speak up and together with me and others we could persuade the rest in lynching him right away.

Also the Mafia *might not* want to save the day shot for later, so I agree with you on that. Willing to kill wrong target - also a possibility, or you're just f@cking with my mind and trying to trick me and others into thinking you're the real deal, however that trick will most certainly cost you a life. So even speculating about it is strange. Take +1 Mafia point.

People still believe that I was going to be lynched. Lol.

That would be a mistake

Finally you're on the right track.

So why exactly shooting someone is better than taking said person to lunch? Can you explain it???

If said person is not going to be taking to lunch, and then receives a shot from the Vigilante, that is exactly the option 1) I mentioned above.

So???? Cadaver, I am not getting your reasoning.

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Now that I have your attention, I would like to pose two questions about language:

1) What is the original language for the rules of the Court of the Sultan game.

2) This one is addressed at Cadaver: On Day One, you received praised from Walkins. Then you replied with something like “I have my pockets sewn for the ocassion”. I would like to ask you if that is an idiom, and from what language and region. Especially, what did you mean by that. Do those words mean that you are taking measures against thieves, thus expressing that you find the person who had just spoken to you untrustworthy?

Ahem, excuse me. Haven't you read my post on that subject?

That's not the point at all. It's not about saving the bullet, it's about the fact that a lynch is stronger than the bullet. If Pookie was going to shoot LASER anyway and he turned out to be bulletproof then the day would end in a no lynch and we'd lose another townie at night before we get a chance to lynch LASER the next day.

Please can we lynch him? It can be my birthday and christmas presents combined.

Suggested, implied, put a thought into our heads maybe? But yes, you have not openly *directed* to want to save that shot for later. No one sane would have done that, period. But I'm in Crazy Town. I hope at least some of us have their fun, I don't.

Lynching without day shooting looks good on paper (SPF). You may believe Mafia would want the impulsive shooter to be around, maybe even to provoke him into killing an innocent, maybe even it's happening right under our nose, but I don't think Mafia will not kill day shooter first thing during the Night. But sometimes I think I'm too naive for that game.
Pooka self-claimed, he could shut his mouth or make a last second kill out of the blue if for some reason he thought that his identity was revealed. Or it was all just a game and my and yours analysis on too much *day wig* mentioning was used as a pretense to play out the role being a crazy Town vanilla, while the read day shot vig is just trying hard not to kill him. That would be awesome in some way, but... yeah. Pooka could have *invested* through a private channel with OP, no? Why are you all thinking Pooka is the real deal is beyond me.

Who knows what *the actual* plan was really. Maybe it's working fine.

Exactly. But not for nothing Pooka actually will say to Mafia - I'm Town Vanilla now, search elsewhere for a cop, I was so bored so why not? A professional level of play.

No lynch in IMPOSSIBLE! Mark these words.

1) agree, partially
2) funny, but okay - don't we ALL hope to eliminate the Strong Arm first thing? As for the Doc - yes and no. Why the doc would want to protect uninteresting Town vanilla (expired shooter), maybe for a first night. However I'm not an experienced doctor, so I can't really tell what is best for him to do. The shot will not be used later > either Mafia kill her or angry Mob lynch her, I'm ready to lynch Pooka any time, I will not tolerate her long. This is the IMPOSSIBLE shot.

I'm marking your words. I believe you on that: it was irrational. *Neither would you* you say? Probably I wasn't vocal enough about my dissatisfaction. I would never claim my role, never!!! Unless on L-2 / L-1, and in case of a day shooter I would just kill someone right before that without any claiming, that would look classy and stylish. There is almost zero chance to kill Strong Arm, but sure, why not, maybe Pooka saw something, that if he is a real deal.

We all have different understanding of *fun*, for me it's a gentleman club of killers, where everyone pretends to be a good guy. And now we have so many claims (Micro, Scene, Pooka). Not fun!

Day vig hitting a bulletproof mafioso is equivalent to a no-lynch (with the consolation of confirming that the player is scum).

Um, not to nag too much, but Lonzi is a SHE iirc.

OK, we have 1 out of 10 probability that a day shooter will shot a bulletproof Mafia. Next Day will have 10 - 1 (dead Town) players and 1 Mafia will be identified. I see it as a win (check above) since Town will need to root out his 2 remaining friends and that should not be that hard. So yes, it's possible, but it's highly unlikely. And you were talking about shooting Laser for a risk of hitting Bulletproof Mafia - why? I mean if we have usual suspect why we want to think that he has armor.
So lynching someone on the basis *let's not risk a bullet, he might be a bulletproof* is the same as saving a bullet for later. At least for me. Call me crazy.

So Pooka has role revealed despite being under no pressure to do so. And now he wants to use his power to shoot the player who noted his wagon

Now Mafia will know 3 players (or less if I'm shot) who have specific roles and will be able to find a power

Absolutely shocking play by Pooka, you're meant to hold that power back until everyones piling in on you or when you have a very strong scum scent that no one else can smell.

@Pooka what you should really do is shoot the 3rd player on your wagon, ie Liftrasil Because Laser will almost certainly be the lynch tomorrow

EBWOP (10 - 1 day shooter)
OK, we have 1 out of 9 (I haven't deducted actual shooter) probability that a day shooter will shot a bulletproof Mafia.

Again, it's not "let's not risk a bullet, he might be bulletproof". It's "let's not risk a no-lynch and waste a day". I don't care about saving the bullet, I care about not wasting a day.
You are right that the odds of hitting the bulletproof mafioso are low, but I've been getting strange vibes from LASER like he's trying to draw the shot rather than get lynched.

Sounds like a deal(and I don't want us to go to no lynch if Pooka stalls for too long). :D

Vote Laser97

(Note to everyone: This vote is mainly to keep Laser close to lynch in case Pooka takes too long or forgets how to fire a gun or some such, and we need to go for a lynch with little time to spare.

Speaking of that: @Joe....time till deadline if you please)

OK, but if day shooter will not shoot what are the odds of Mafia sparing him? I say we even lynch the *fake*/not fake shooter even to force a shot and clear his name. But probably not right now, since not all expressed their opinion yet.

So I don't see it's a huge risk of no-lynch. Let's imagine that we all have a list of 3 possible Mafia, would you also say *let's not shot any of them, one of them could be bulletproof and it's a no-lynch risk*?

Strange vibes for Laser? Like he was provoking Pooka into shooting him? Making him a possible Bulletproof. Maybe...
Then we'll lynch Laser > Scene > ??? (not Pooka if not fake) / Pooka (if fake). No? I mean I still don't see a problem here.