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ZFR: Policy lynch is something players decide on. Mods do modkills.
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Cadaver747: I meant if Joe will decide to modkill Laser himself.
You can go to Joe's house, take a dump at his doorstep then ring the bell and ask for toilet paper and he won't modkill you for that.

He's too nice a guy.
I will pick up on the fact that a page or 2 before Lasers fake Vig Shot he said 'If I was Vigilante I'd have shot Scene already'.

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supplementscene: My issue isn't with Laser's Fake Vigshot. My issue with asking about my role. I actually considered claiming a role to fuck with him if he was Town. Was that a mistake or a mafia play? I'm not sure.

Anyway we have about 24 hours left and ZFRs wagon isn't going anywhere. I prefer ZFR but Microfish did make the very suspect Lamist post and given ZFR seems very reluctant to get on Microfishes wagon makes me suspect they could potentially be a scum team.

Unvotes ZFR Vote Microfish
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ZFR: "Why do you want to force a premature lynch? Premature lynch helps scum. Clearly you're Mafia."
7 votes to lynch, I believe we're now at 5 on Microfish and no other wagon is going anywhere. If someone puts him at N1 I'll unvote

@Microfish, time to role claim I think to give everyone adequate time to decide your fate

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Cadaver747: I meant if Joe will decide to modkill Laser himself.
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ZFR: You can go to Joe's house, take a dump at his doorstep then ring the bell and ask for toilet paper and he won't modkill you for that.

He's too nice a guy.
It sounds like you've tried this.
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ZFR: You've also helped the Mafia a lot in another way. I'll mention how post-game, on the off chance they haven't spotted it themselves.
Well it sounds like you haven't missed it.

From town perspective I'm unsure a policy lynch helps us over a regular lynch. We could be in a position where were 3 Town players down very early with nothing to show for it.
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Pookina: [...] To clarify: I don't feel like playing the game for some reason. And to clarify further, this reason has nothing to do with my faction and more to do with my inability to stay up to date with the game. I feel like everytime I check on the game, loads of stuff have already happened which overwhelms me.
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I can feel you there. But mostly it has happened from Friday to Saturday. Meaning, it seems to be a thing of the weekend. Most likely, on weekdays things will go slower. See if you can make it to the Night, have a good rest of the game there, then rejoin at an easy pace on the weekdays after the game-night.

@Cristine: Was writing in a rush before and made a gross simplification. See, a model is really a logical construct that tries to resemble some aspects of a phenomenon in a useful way. They are simplifications but they are serviceable, until they are proved to be defective or they get replaced by something better. They might retain some niche usefulness. Sorry for the rush. For making a simulation you need a model of the phenomenon (for example, with Mafia, random voting, no powers), and then you write a program implementing it. But they are different things.

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Still have not untangled the last 50 posts, but, for now

Unvote Pookie the Cookie

Vote Lazy Walkins

Since his tiny light went a little bit brighter, as explanined above. Might change or add after reading the ton of posts. Would vote for Pookie as well.

Will not vote for Lonki or Cristine this week at all.
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supplementscene: 1. It highlights lurkyness
I don't see how, that's why I want to understand your approach.

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supplementscene: 2. I haven't avoided purposely any question, however I don't even understand the question. Can you re-phrase it
If you say so, but you have to admit that I was trying to reach you 4 times + 1 more (post #291) for the question you haven't avoided purposely.
I see, let me re-phrase my question. You determine Post #49 (Joe's second vote results) as cut of time for lurkiness check up, there are 12 players, all of which were present (the last one was Pookina, post #28) hence they were definitely not lurking. There would be 48 posts left before *cut of time*, right? If we deduct 3 posts made by Joe and 12 intro posts from all 12 participants that would have us with only 33 posts left, 34 if we count your entry post with vote.

Meaning that you're willing to give ~3.09 posts (34 / 11) | 2.75 posts (33/12) per 1 player to make his/her vote otherwise he/she is considered "a lurky" one even though that same player was present from the very beginning?
>>> Is that right? Do you understand my question now?

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supplementscene: 3. See answer 1. Is it the most pertinant point now? Not really, but it was worth noting then, as is any other form of lurky behaviour.
It wasn't even that important if you had answered in the first place. For some reason it looks like you're confused in your own *testimony*.

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supplementscene: If Microfish was fighting his corner a bit more and scumhunting himself I may be more inclined not to vote for him.
I haven't asked you about Micro. I get your point about voting Micro, however I don't understand why early wagon is bad and good all at the same time. But more on this later.
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supplementscene: 1. It highlights lurkyness
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Cadaver747: I don't see how, that's why I want to understand your approach.

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supplementscene: 2. I haven't avoided purposely any question, however I don't even understand the question. Can you re-phrase it
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Cadaver747: If you say so, but you have to admit that I was trying to reach you 4 times + 1 more (post #291) for the question you haven't avoided purposely.
I see, let me re-phrase my question. You determine Post #49 (Joe's second vote results) as cut of time for lurkiness check up, there are 12 players, all of which were present (the last one was Pookina, post #28) hence they were definitely not lurking. There would be 48 posts left before *cut of time*, right? If we deduct 3 posts made by Joe and 12 intro posts from all 12 participants that would have us with only 33 posts left, 34 if we count your entry post with vote.

Meaning that you're willing to give ~3.09 posts (34 / 11) | 2.75 posts (33/12) per 1 player to make his/her vote otherwise he/she is considered "a lurky" one even though that same player was present from the very beginning?
>>> Is that right? Do you understand my question now?

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supplementscene: 3. See answer 1. Is it the most pertinant point now? Not really, but it was worth noting then, as is any other form of lurky behaviour.
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Cadaver747: It wasn't even that important if you had answered in the first place. For some reason it looks like you're confused in your own *testimony*.

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supplementscene: If Microfish was fighting his corner a bit more and scumhunting himself I may be more inclined not to vote for him.
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Cadaver747: I haven't asked you about Micro. I get your point about voting Micro, however I don't understand why early wagon is bad and good all at the same time. But more on this later.
BTW I also made it clear, when asked (I think by Christi?), that I'd only read up to Joes voting post when I started making my analysis in that post. Sometimes I start a post a few hours before finishing it. So at the time I hadn't seen other players posts or votes.

Is it super important that a player voted before Post 49? Not entirely, but that was the info I was going on and to an extent it's my error I didn't refresh in that time.
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supplementscene: 7 votes to lynch, I believe we're now at 5 on Microfish and no other wagon is going anywhere. If someone puts him at N1 I'll unvote
When only a few hours ago Lazer put Micro at *4*, you called him scummy for creating an early lynch. Your *whole* case against me was because I questioned your accusation of Lazer, so you made us to be scum partners who want to push a premature vote.
Now you putting him at L-2 isn't scummy.

I'm just questioning your inconsistency.

Though to be honest it's not completely out-of-character for you.

*sigh*


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@Micro Personally I do think it's late enough to make a lynch, so consider yourself at L-1 and claim properly this time.
Just read Scene/Lazy. The vote stays.

Also, bad sportmanship and ugly.
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supplementscene: BTW I also made it clear, when asked (I think by Christi?), that I'd only read up to Joes voting post when I started making my analysis in that post. Sometimes I start a post a few hours before finishing it. So at the time I hadn't seen other players posts or votes.
I don't remember it now without checking but I believe you on that. That was my initial understanding that you just took Joe's post with results #49, combined a template, then fell asleep for 14 posts (or got a very important work call) and didn't refresh the page (however if you saw Micro's vote, you did refresh a page at least once but for some reason it was not worth to edit the list of non-voters from 6 to 5 players). But the fact that you've changed your own statements ever so slightly has created a confusion in my head.

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supplementscene: Is it super important that a player voted before Post 49? Not entirely, but that was the info I was going on and to an extent it's my error I didn't refresh in that time.
Exactly, it's not important. But according to you it was "worth noting". Not important and worth noting is not the same in my country. But maybe it's just different perspective or something.

I would vote you right away for your answer, but you're second on my list of prime candidates for lynch. And who knows maybe something new will come up the next Day.

And you are welcome to join Laser's wagon right away, unless of course you're 100% convinced that wagon is not likely to happen toDay.

Vote Lazy Walkins (LASER97)
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Carradice: Also, bad sportmanship and ugly.
I agree, but let's leave this aspect of it till post-game.

However, now that it's a viable wagon:
Vote Lazer
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Carradice: Just read Scene/Lazy. The vote stays.

Also, bad sportmanship and ugly.
Just to clarify carradice, you voted for Lazer before you read the fake claim?
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supplementscene: BTW I also made it clear, when asked (I think by Christi?), that I'd only read up to Joes voting post when I started making my analysis in that post. Sometimes I start a post a few hours before finishing it. So at the time I hadn't seen other players posts or votes.
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Cadaver747: I don't remember it now without checking but I believe you on that. That was my initial understanding that you just took Joe's post with results #49, combined a template, then fell asleep for 14 posts (or got a very important work call) and didn't refresh the page (however if you saw Micro's vote, you did refresh a page at least once but for some reason it was not worth to edit the list of non-voters from 6 to 5 players). But the fact that you've changed your own statements ever so slightly has created a confusion in my head.

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supplementscene: Is it super important that a player voted before Post 49? Not entirely, but that was the info I was going on and to an extent it's my error I didn't refresh in that time.
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Cadaver747: Exactly, it's not important. But according to you it was "worth noting". Not important and worth noting is not the same in my country. But maybe it's just different perspective or something.

I would vote you right away for your answer, but you're second on my list of prime candidates for lynch. And who knows maybe something new will come up the next Day.

And you are welcome to join Laser's wagon right away, unless of course you're 100% convinced that wagon is not likely to happen toDay.

Vote Lazy Walkins (LASER97)
I find your fixation on this early post worrysome considering all my discussion and other discussion since. I'm not sure it's alignment indictive but it isn't helpful.

After Laser's fake claim I'm leaning towards him being town
Post edited May 16, 2020 by supplementscene
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ZFR: You can go to Joe's house, take a dump at his doorstep then ring the bell and ask for toilet paper and he won't modkill you for that.

He's too nice a guy.
First of all thank, I have a vivid imagination and that dump was spectacular (I'm going to puke), but you should have seen the look on Joe's face.

Yeah he was godly nice, he even invited me in a fetch me some nice triangle sandwiches with tuna and cucumber and a good glass of Pimm's.
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But to be honest even I break into his house and get myself into prison I would not break any GOG Mafia rules (unless they seize my phone and cut my internet for more than 36 hours), the modkill in that case would be a violation of power.

Jokes aside, I get what you mean, still I think Laser did a serious disservice to Town and to waste a vote and a Day because of it is not fair, that is why it should be a modkill. I placed my vote already yet I expect some reaction from Joe.
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Cadaver747: Jokes aside, I get what you mean, still I think Laser did a serious disservice to Town and to waste a vote and a Day because of it is not fair, that is why it should be a modkill. I placed my vote already yet I expect some reaction from Joe.
If he hasn't broken any rules (and I don't think he has) it won't be a modkill.
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supplementscene: If he hasn't broken any rules (and I don't think he has) it won't be a modkill.
Since you're so keen on current GOG Mafia rules:
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JoeSapphire: 9. All players should post at least once every 36 hours. If you expect to be away for more than 36 hours, please let JoeSapphire know either through PM or in the game thread.
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Cadaver747: @Carradice
@supplementscene
Where art Ye???
That post I made I was on *time patrol*, it was exactly 2 days after your last post (48 hours > 36 hours). Have you notified Joe in private? Because if you not...
i have no clue what is going on, and IRL calls. if someone could ping me with vote count and relevant deets (details) it'd be appreciated
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supplementscene: [...]
Just to clarify carradice, you voted for Lazer before you read the fake claim?

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After Laser's fake claim I'm leaning towards him being town
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Yes. The rationale was explained in two long posts. Very hard to miss.

If you mind, why do you say that you think him more town?