Nah, I think I'll hold on to it a while longer.


But you won't?


Was my question really confusing, given that you stated the timing and reason for the switch back? But let's say I should have made it clearer - my question was about when and why you changed your initial scum-read.

More interesting is that you completely omitted the "why" both when quoting my question and when answering it.
As is that you also ignored my question about Bookwyrm627.


I see you're rebouncing; hmm, hmm, hmm...



It most certainly wouldn't, but I find it interesting that you omit the parts of my post that express exactly that, and clearly try to have me in the defensive by keeping the focus on me.


I have to wonder how you know that to be a fact, if you're town.


You didn't just say what I think you did, did you now? And did you realise that you did? I mean for someone trying hard to not clear up the game state.


Then you are in for a big surprise. And at the risk of sounding rude - shame you seem as short-sighted as a couple of others. If you're town, that is. And especially if you're doing what I thought you might be doing as town.


Heh. Not sure which is funnier, if not a bit insulting - that you seem to attempt to make me think you're that naive, or that you seem to attempt to make me think that you think I'm that naive...


Curious, it's telling in what way exactly?


Seriously? For all the rereading you've been doing, and all the conclusions you've reached, you will have to do your due diligence? After I bring the subject to the table? Looks like "I'm scum-reading so and so, here's a vote" is indeed sufficient reason for you; it really can't get simpler than this.
You surely make me question your motivation, and in turn your alignment.

So no case study about how the masons confirming helps scum choose conversion targets better? A shame; I was kind of hoping there was some scenario where I was actually wrong.

Again? I haven't waited for the deadline before voting at all this game. I'm pretty sure Adalia hasn't either. You might be able to get that accusation to stick to HSL, but why clump all of us together in it?

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ZFR, what is your read on Krypsyn?

I've never waited till deadline to vote and I don't intend to start now. Unfortunately I've been working non stop since the game restarted (I work weekends and Mondays) and since I got it so spectacularly wrong with both mchack and Leonard I want to reanalyze the game a bit before jumping in with a vote but haven't had the time to do that yet.

I'm posting on my mobile from work right now. Honestly the rest of the week isn't much better, I'd hoped the game would be over by now when I signed up. I'll make the time to do what's required though.

"Again" referred to the fact that in previous 2 days Lift announced it. Will he announce it "again" today, or will we reach a lynch vote before he does that?

I have a suspicion Krypsyn is remaining Mutant. Would explain sending Hunter for the conversion. But I'd rather go for cyborgs today.

Hm. I don't even remotely see how to get this interpretation from the previous version of the sentence.

What makes you think Krypsyn is a mutant?

I've replied to Bookwyrm already, but I didn't mean to imply you're waited for the deadline before.

My sentence was:
"Are you waiting for (the 48h deadline again)" and NOT "(Are you waiting for the 48h deadline) again"

The train was late on Monday.
The train was late on Tuesday.
It's Wednesday.

"Do you think the train will be late today again?"

The above sentence does NOT imply that you thought the train would be late on Monday and Tuesday.

Process of elimination.
Adalia, and to a big extent you and HSL, were under more heat D1 than Hunter, so you would have gone for the conversion.
Trent was not scum D1.
I can't see flubs being mutant the way he acted D1 trying to get lynced. He might have pulled it off, though.
Sage was real busy, and I think she'd have volunteered to go for the conversion had she been a mutant.

With Krypsyn I can see Hunter doing the conversion. Hence he's my strongest suspect.

Have fun with that.

Inorite? How clumsy of me. It's like "whoops, my 'why' fell off!" Do they have pills for that?

Did I fall off the wagon already? Nah... that doesn't seem like something I would do. Say it isn't so!

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Also, you guys are super boring. So, you don't deserve a vote count.

You know what? I could possibly still win this (with a bit of luck), but it would probably involve waiting for you guys to faff about with votes and talk endlessly in circles for a couple more weeks. That exceeds my shits given by a fair margin.

So, I'll just answer HypersomniacLive's 'why' question directly and succinctly:

I am a Cyborg.
Night 1, I NKed Hunter66536 (no recruitment was attempted).
Night 2, dedoporno attempted to recruit adaliabooks.

I'll let you discuss the ramifications of all that, inevitably ad nauseum, then maybe get off your butts and stop faffing about with your votes.

Except that at the time, he couldn't know that it was "just before D2 end"; Lifthrasil hadn't even given us our 48hrs warning yet. Unless you still count that as being just before D2 end; I don't. If not, you're using knowledge after the fact to make an argument, in which case I have to ask why.

Seeing how he flipped scum, I think it's reasonably safe to say that he did plant it, and with a goal and purpose in mind - to keep his buddies as hidden as possible, while leaving just enough room to bus either one if needed, and at the same time, cast doubt/shade on a couple of townies, and the rival scum, for a mis-lynch (from his PoV). How he went about it depends on if he thought it (quite) more likely he'd survive the Night, or that he'll bite it; based on the Night results, and the most probable interpretation of them (Cyborgs killed the claimed Mason, Mutant killed dedoporno), I'm leaning towards the former.

What I thought may be telling is that he made his post #992 first. Did something between his posts #980 and #992 happen that made him put out his reads, or did he do it simply as a means to appear a good townie? I've gone over the posts between #980 and #992, but can't say I see anything standing out, so if there is something, then it's a detail that only the Cyborgs would pick on.
Problem is that with GOG's atrocious time-stamps, there is no way to check how much time passed between his posts #992 and #995; for a man that only had "a few minutes to try and catch up a bit", that list seems to have been prepared ahead of coming on and posting.


Here's another thing to consider regarding his voting, and more importantly, his expressed intent for D2.

In post #995 he says he might be open to Krypsyn/ZFR, and in post #998 he says [emphasis added]: Leonard03 was who he was voting, and didn't move from there, I was the next up because he was willing to go along with what others were thinking (btw, this is exactly how he acted regarding me in game #52), then he might vote Krypsyn/ZFR (but only if he had to), then gogtrial34987 but after the Krypsyn/ZFR wagons failed. And in this long line of intended votes, his town reads are, as expected, left out, except for flubbucket and trentonlf who suddenly enter the scene, as the next ones in line, if I'm reading this correctly.

So the order is:

Leonard03 > HypersomniacLive > Krypsyn/ZFR > gogtrial34987 > flubbucket/trentonlf.

Notice anything about the last three? So is this distancing from Bookwyrm627 by seemingly keeping those three in his lynch-candidates pool? He did leave himself enough wiggle room the way he town-read him, so could be distancing, but also casting shade, or prepping rival scum for lynch on a later Day.

Perhaps more telling, are these two things:

- He puts Krypsyn and ZFR together, even though he claims to have had a town-read on ZFR D1, while Krypsyn was and remains a blank sheet.
- He said he might be open to Krypsyn/ZFR, then makes the comment about their wagons failing. Everyone go back and check, there was absolutely no way on earth these two would get a half-viable wagon on D2, and most certainly not within the last 48hrs. In fact they both went through the entirety of D2 with zero votes on them.

I'm inclined to think that one of dedoporno's buddy may well be here.

Rereading ZFR, I'm uneasy about him. He has clearly demonstrated that he's intelligent, skilled and experienced enough (granted, from playing Resistance and not forum mafia, but still) to play this game, analyse and strategise (more than a few posts on this). Which makes me take a second look at, at least, some of what he's said and done as it feels more like staged newbie-card play. A few things in his late D2 play also make me uneasy in light of dedoporno's flip; I can go into them if (plural) you are interested.

Krypsyn has said practically nothing all of D1, asides from a handful of posts in the context of "trust in Masons", and his post #580. Neither of those are AI, however. His D2 posts are not any more enlightening; aside from the usual vote counts, comments on their accuracy/errors, talk about game mechanics, and a couple of exchanges with gogtrial34987, the most he contributed were a couple of comments on mchack (before he claimed), town-reading adaliabooks, and his post #1035 to me, though on second thought after what he's said Today, that may have well been just to keep the suspicion on me (ZFR reacted to it, whether genuinely or not is another matter).
The most I have is the way his D3 behaviour has me uneasy. He seemed too accommodating after the way he played so far, and as soon as I mentioned it, said that it makes me uneasy, and followed up with more questions, he immediately bounced back. This all makes me think that he could be dedoporno's buddy, though in this case I'm not sure he'd draw attention to the third Cyborg (assuming they're between adaliabooks and Bookwyrm627) with the way he reacted to me.

Having said all this, there's something I noticed that I'm not sure what to make of it. Both ZFR and Bookwyrm have stated that Today we have four Vanillas, even though we have been going with the scenario that there was a successful conversion N1. If that is a slip, then either one or both know that there was no successful conversion on N1, and either one or both of them seem to be misleading town with our chances. Bookwyrm627 more so, since he laid out a series of potential outcomes for the next Nights and Days in his post #1092 (which he still referenced to me in his post #1094 where he touches on the case that Hunter65536 failed N1), while ZFR went the least incriminating route of not presenting anything (he certainly is capable of running the numbers, and probably has already). However, after my reread, I'm not ruling out that ZFR noticed it and keeps mum about it. Which now makes me wonder who else might have noticed it and are doing the same, and if so, what reason for.
If this is an error from both or either one, then it's one hall of a coincidence at this point in the game.

After going back over the day posts I don’t think the Cyborgs have anymore recruitment shots left. The only action shown to have happened Night 1 was Hunter dying (he was a mutant) so that means the Cyborgs probably recruited someone. Then Day 3 opening post shows that Dedo and mchack were both dead, dedo was a Cyborg and had to have been trying to recruit a Mason to die. That means that only the lone Mutant has a recruitment shot left since only the original Mutants and Cyborgs have the ability to recruit and can only do it once.

So the Cyborgs are stuck at two and the most the Mutants can be is also two if the lone Mutant is able to recruit successfully.

Best outcome for town today is we lynch the last Mutant, but since the Mutant needs to know who it’s safe to recruit the Masons SHOULD NOT CLAIM

So don’t let scum bookwyrm convince you it’s in towns “best interest” for the Masons to claim.

I have mine left.

There is one Cyborg (me). The Mutants have two, since they recruited Night 1. They have 0 or 1 recruitments left, depending on whether or not Hunter65536 was an original mutant, and/or if he used his recruitment on Night 1.

Believe it or not, mine was just a genuine slip. That whole post was made after I had drank that evening and lots of inaccuracies there. All the time I was thinking 3 vanillas, and only noticed I wrote '4' after you mentioned it just now.

Also, what's with Kryspyn's post. Is that a joke? Or a real cyborg claim?

I've got some thinking to do, and see what makes sense, and how.

EBWOP

Oh, wait. Mutants may only have one left as well. Hunter65536 may have had a bad recruitment on Night 1
as well as me NKing him. (I do so hate possibly redundant Night Actions; they add so much confusion to the mix). Of course, if that did happen, then the Mutants must have another recruitment available.

So.. in summary:

Cyborgs: 1 player, 1 recruitment left
Mutants: 1-2 players, 0-1 recruitment left

Completely and totally truthful and serious.

What?????