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Martek: DRM or not - maybe not.

But if they only way to claim the treasure bonus is to be online via Galaxy, then it's more or less forcing Galaxy instead of leaving it optional as they boast. So, IMO, if it's true you have to use Galaxy to claim the bonus - then that is a slip down the slippery slope.
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BKGaming: Read what I posted above, clearly says GOG Galaxy is not needed only a game account which is used for the online component.
Ok, so GOG Galaxy is not needed to redeem the Treasure Key. But going online is required to redeem it, right? That's DRM. Just like when any other online service pulls the plug on a feature; GOG could decide in maybe three years that "every service has a life cycle, and it is time to focus our resources on other projects" (quote from linked article) and take away the ability to redeem the key. That IS DRM.

Now, the fact that you can (as you point out in your post) get the same items in game and this "treasure key" isn't the only way to get them - that "waters down" and "dilutes" the DRM - but it's still DRM. And the watering-down qualifies it as a slip down the slippery slope.

That is how they creep it in - in little steps like this.
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BKGaming: Read what I posted above, clearly says GOG Galaxy is not needed only a game account which is used for the online component.
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Martek: Ok, so GOG Galaxy is not needed to redeem the Treasure Key. But going online is required to redeem it, right? That's DRM. Just like when any other online service pulls the plug on a feature; GOG could decide in maybe three years that "every service has a life cycle, and it is time to focus our resources on other projects" (quote from linked article) and take away the ability to redeem the key. That IS DRM.

Now, the fact that you can (as you point out in your post) get the same items in game and this "treasure key" isn't the only way to get them - that "waters down" and "dilutes" the DRM - but it's still DRM. And the watering-down qualifies it as a slip down the slippery slope.

That is how they creep it in - in little steps like this.
This is no more DRM than any MP game with a key on here... this is an online component to the game same as MP. The single player portion of the game or the game itself contains no DRM. I'm not getting dragged into this discussion again however, there is nothing wrong with this game being here compared to every other game GOG has here.

Furthermore GOG has nothing to do with this, it goes through the developer, and like any online component (aka MP) it can be pulled. But since it can only be used once, and everything it does can be obtained by playing it offline it really doesn't matter. The game is DRM free...
Post edited July 25, 2015 by user deleted
I don't have plans for purchasing this game, but I have a question - are there any exclusive items in this "Treasure Key" or everything from it can be normally obtained during gameplay, even if that would be difficult? It the latter is true, then there is nothing to worry about.
Post edited July 25, 2015 by JamesBond007
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JamesBond007: I don't have plans for purchasing this game, but I have a question - are there any exclusive itsms in this "Treasure Key" or everything can be obtained normally, even if that would be difficult? It the latter is true, then there is nothing to worry about.
Everything in the treasure key can be obtained by playing offline like normal, this is nothing more than a one time use cheat...
It's sounding like a glorified cheat code that a store might give as a bonus for buying the game from them i.e. "Buy game x from us, and get secret code y you can input to get the best weapons early".
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noncompliantgame: Storm in a teacup
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011284mm: I assume you feel this is all a little blown out of proportions, if not I am sorry for misunderstanding your four word response.

While this all may seem like a trivial matter. Right now people have reasons to be concerned about some of GOG's decisions.
Many people want GOG to remain DRM-free, completely DRM-free. That means not having to authenticate ourselves in anyway once we have downloaded the games installer from the site, nor having to connect to the internet to make the game run in any way shape or form.
If the game asks in anyway, if that be for; online authentication, runtime update, server side DLC, or anything else. People have a right to be concerned about the idea. We have the right to be concerned and in reality any gamer who wants to play games years into the future should be concerned. As this sort of activity leaves your game at the hands of the developers/publishers/sales agents.

People including myself are worried about a slippery-slope into completely DRMed games getting onto GOG. Either via malice or lack of focus.
So when a game has an account log in for single player, a server authentication or server side DLC it pushes peoples buttons.
When GOG starts selling any game that has any form of DRM such as need for a publishers account or a server side authentication then they are treading worrying ground.
We have already had a huge problem with Defcon where the game was checking in with a server EVERY time it ran. Which was a problem as the server had banned the general key GOG had the game start up with. This was then expanded upon by a GOG staff member honestly admitting that they knew about it. Yet instead of forcing the developer make a copy truly DRM-free they had just accepted a work around that had the major flaw of your game being turned into a demo copy if you were playing whilst connected to the internet.

So from general gaming point of view this is a very small, first world problem. From a gamer point of view this really is a problem for the long-term. Especially for whether GOG gets our wallets vote.

EDIT:: For clarity, the problem with Defcon should now have been fixed as the developer has released an updated version that installs with a separate launcher for a copy that does not look for the servers authentication.
I hate DRM with bloody minded a vengeance. However, GOG's entire market niche is based on DRM free games, so despite these two examples I doubt they are going to be doing this in even a slightly significant way. The only way I foresee this happening is if they are bought out by a larger corporate entity.