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Posted February 17, 2022
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nightcraw1er.488: It’s one of those grey areas which divides people.
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vv221: I don’t think there is anything "grey" on this topic. There are people who are OK with DRM and vendor lock-in schemes, and people who are not. The division is really clear cut.

Of course it’s getting a bit messy because of people who partake happily in vendor lock-in and other forms of DRM but still pretend to be "against DRM" (spoiler: they’re not). These are the « it’s not DRM if it’s only for multiplayer » and « it’s OK if it’s only the Steam client » crowd, and they are the only ones who can speak about « DRM-free games on Steam » without seeing the obvious issues with this.
Nope, you miss the point. DRM is software designed specifically to stop stop illegal copying and to ensure the software is use only by the user with the license. A client for downloading is not DRM, neither is online gating. I am not saying they are better or acceptable, simply that stating a term DRM and labelling that to everything simply allows people to wriggle out of hard issues. It is control over your product that is the overriding issue here, and DRM is only one part of this. You could (and I often do) argue that clients are worse than DRM as DRM can be bypassed and removed, whereas the mentality which comes from using clients (i.e. being unable to organise your own saves, or patch your own product etc.) is not as easily countered, and its been that way since steam started and is thoroughly embedded in the psyche of gamers now, no gaming without a client.
Posted February 17, 2022
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vv221: I don’t think there is anything "grey" on this topic. There are people who are OK with DRM and vendor lock-in schemes, and people who are not. The division is really clear cut.

Of course it’s getting a bit messy because of people who partake happily in vendor lock-in and other forms of DRM but still pretend to be "against DRM" (spoiler: they’re not). These are the « it’s not DRM if it’s only for multiplayer » and « it’s OK if it’s only the Steam client » crowd, and they are the only ones who can speak about « DRM-free games on Steam » without seeing the obvious issues with this.
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nightcraw1er.488: Nope, you miss the point. DRM is software designed specifically to stop stop illegal copying and to ensure the software is use only by the user with the license. A client for downloading is not DRM, neither is online gating. I am not saying they are better or acceptable, simply that stating a term DRM and labelling that to everything simply allows people to wriggle out of hard issues. It is control over your product that is the overriding issue here, and DRM is only one part of this. You could (and I often do) argue that clients are worse than DRM as DRM can be bypassed and removed, whereas the mentality which comes from using clients (i.e. being unable to organise your own saves, or patch your own product etc.) is not as easily countered, and its been that way since steam started and is thoroughly embedded in the psyche of gamers now, no gaming without a client.
I don’t mind launchers if they are optional to play.Drm is by far way worse.If a game would be drm free on epic and gog and it would be cheaper on epic i would buy it there.Just move everything on an extern hard drive and you have baked it up
Posted February 17, 2022
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nightcraw1er.488: Nope, you miss the point. DRM is software designed specifically to stop stop illegal copying and to ensure the software is use only by the user with the license. A client for downloading is not DRM, neither is online gating. I am not saying they are better or acceptable, simply that stating a term DRM and labelling that to everything simply allows people to wriggle out of hard issues. It is control over your product that is the overriding issue here, and DRM is only one part of this. You could (and I often do) argue that clients are worse than DRM as DRM can be bypassed and removed, whereas the mentality which comes from using clients (i.e. being unable to organise your own saves, or patch your own product etc.) is not as easily countered, and its been that way since steam started and is thoroughly embedded in the psyche of gamers now, no gaming without a client.
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Wheezyyyy: I don’t mind launchers if they are optional to play.Drm is by far way worse.If a game would be drm free on epic and gog and it would be cheaper on epic i would buy it there.Just move everything on an extern hard drive and you have baked it up
It’s not as simple as the client being optional. I just had thing with a game from elsewhere where the game is drm free, but mods do not work as it requires the steam client. There are plenty of other examples, got added galaxy.dll to all offline installers which can affect compatibility and even break some games.
On the reverse, drm could be anything from a cd key or code wheel quite benign drm to online activations or denuvo. Clients are worse than most forms of drm, online activations/streaming perhaps not.
Posted February 19, 2022
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vv221: As long as their store clients are mandatory to download/install the games, there is exactly 0 DRM-free game on Steam, and 0 on EGS.
Dumbest statement of the year, but it's only February.
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vv221: A game is DRM-free if it can be downloaded, installed, played (fully, not only some basic singleplayer part of it) and backuped without any kind of DRM. If you’re only interested about the "played" part, you will keep failing to understand what DRM-free is about.
So there is no DRM-free game offered on Itch or GOG? Unless there is a way to download it without a web browser, account credentials or other connection.
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patrikc: Please stop doing that, it's disrespectful to the community. I am asking you politely.
He has a point, you have childish nonsense.
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pds41: As I'm sure you remember from school, a wiki is incapable of being a citable primary source.
School teaches you to think in 3D, that you live on a small spinning ball in space and that vaccines are good for you.
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Posted February 19, 2022
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kmanitou: He has a point, you have childish nonsense.
You might have missed my point. Pay attention to the way they type.
Posted February 20, 2022
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vv221: As long as their store clients are mandatory to download/install the games, there is exactly 0 DRM-free game on Steam, and 0 on EGS.
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kmanitou: Dumbest statement of the year, but it's only February.
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vv221: A game is DRM-free if it can be downloaded, installed, played (fully, not only some basic singleplayer part of it) and backuped without any kind of DRM. If you’re only interested about the "played" part, you will keep failing to understand what DRM-free is about.
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kmanitou: So there is no DRM-free game offered on Itch or GOG? Unless there is a way to download it without a web browser, account credentials or other connection.
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patrikc: Please stop doing that, it's disrespectful to the community. I am asking you politely.
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kmanitou: He has a point, you have childish nonsense.
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pds41: As I'm sure you remember from school, a wiki is incapable of being a citable primary source.
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kmanitou: School teaches you to think in 3D, that you live on a small spinning ball in space and that vaccines are good for you.
Yes most itchi games are drm free and also humble has a lot of them.A few need steam to be downloaded but are drm free once they are installed
Posted February 22, 2022
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kmanitou: So there is no DRM-free game offered on Itch or GOG? Unless there is a way to download it without a web browser, account credentials or other connection.
I download all of my GOG and itch.io games without going through a Web browser.

If you’re confusing an enforced client and an open protocol like the Web, sorry but you’re going to stay clueless on anything even barely related to DRM.
Posted February 23, 2022
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kmanitou: So there is no DRM-free game offered on Itch or GOG? Unless there is a way to download it without a web browser, account credentials or other connection.
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vv221: I download all of my GOG and itch.io games without going through a Web browser.

If you’re confusing an enforced client and an open protocol like the Web, sorry but you’re going to stay clueless on anything even barely related to DRM.
How do you download your GOG files without logging in?
Posted February 23, 2022
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vv221: I download all of my GOG and itch.io games without going through a Web browser.

If you’re confusing an enforced client and an open protocol like the Web, sorry but you’re going to stay clueless on anything even barely related to DRM.
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kmanitou: How do you download your GOG files without logging in?
I don't quite understand how things work, but I think it involves logging in with a browser (or sending the request that a browser would to login) and then copying the cookie over so that the download program can use it. Something like that, at any rate.
Posted February 23, 2022
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kmanitou: How do you download your GOG files without logging in?
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dtgreene: I don't quite understand how things work, but I think it involves logging in with a browser (or sending the request that a browser would to login) and then copying the cookie over so that the download program can use it. Something like that, at any rate.
Interesting, and he doesn't see the credentials as a gate?
Posted February 23, 2022
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Wheezyyyy: but if you can play a game without a launcher it’s drm free as well.You don’t consider it that way but it’s a fact and the exactly explanation is on pcgaming wiki
No it's not. And "pc gaming wiki" saying so wouldn't make it a 'fact,' which it isn't; it's a lie.

And Steam isn't "light DRM." There is no such thing as "light DRM." Steam games are rented, not owned.

They can be stolen at any time when & if Steam bans the Steam account, and/or when the owner of the account passes on, and Steam's official policy is that their games cannot be given to anyone else in their will.
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