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GameRager: Real life aside: I have said here I BUY steam games and have cracks for if steam ever goes offline or closes up shop, and people have lambasted me over it or low rated such comments....yet apparently sharing one copy with a bunch of family is fine even though it "takes money from gog" through potential sales to other family members.
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StingingVelvet: I don't have such things backed up because I trust they'll be around, unless the government takes over the internet (which coincidentally a nutjob presidential candidate proposed today). I agree though, as long as you bought the game it is 100% acceptable. Anyone giving you a hard time for that should f' off IMO.

Sharing accounts... it's really up to the person to decide where their red line is I guess. As long as you're not crazy abusing it and sharing purchases with 5 random guys from work or whatever, you're probably okay in my book. Support developers who make the games you enjoy, as best as you can, and we're square, basically.
1st bit: You know what they say about hoping for the best but preparing for the worst, right? Plus there's the whole problem with internet being spotty for some and also some services removing some games(not GOG) from people's accounts or even CHANGING CONTENT(like removing music in some games/etc) when licenses expire or the like.

Heck, I am a laid back mofo and forget to backup stuff like I should, and even I know how important it is to back up your stuff. Internet can go down for a bit or longer, companies who sell games can fold(if gog ever folded and people didn't have their games downloaded they'd likely be SOL), etc.


2nd bit: True, but going too far(too many users) without extra copies bought(to me) would still be d*ckish to do, family or no.
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From GOG Support's FAQ:

Can I enjoy my purchases both on my laptop and desktop computer at home?

Yes. We do not limit the number of installations or reinstallations, as long as you install your purchased games on computers in your household. So yeah, if you've got a render-farm in the basement, you might actually break the world record for the number of legal Witcher installations in one household. However, if you think about installing your game on a friend's machine or sharing it with others then please don't do it, okay?The same principle applies to movies - you're free to watch them anywhere you want, with anyone you want, as long as you don't share them with people who haven't purchased them.
Sharing the game within your own household is 100% fine.
Post edited August 08, 2019 by ConsulCaesar
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Gobydon: So I always felt that if i bough a game I should be able to play it as much as I want in my own house and further more my family members that live under the same roof should be able to play my copies as well.

SO i have two computers in my house. I have mine that is connected to a monitor and I built one for my wife that is connected to the TV. Both have my GOG Galaxy launcher installed and the beauty of GOG is that I can launch both at the same time. So I can play Witcher and she can play Ori at the same time.

But I was watching her play Ori and I was like "cool I want to play too".

So my question is... If we both play the one copy at the same time, is that abusing the DRM free nature?

I would think yes but then that begs the question... If we playd the same copy but not at the same time then it should be fair.

However; I feel like this is over critical and too lawyer(is) way of thinking. Then again Steam totally blocks this kind of use altogether despite the "family share" feature which is really quite lame and dose not work like the example i give above.
Below is an email reply from GoG Support regarding using GoG games with my family. I hope it clarifies things.

Hello,
While as a general rule your GOG account and its content are personal to you, and cannot be shared with, sold, gifted or transferred to anyone else (as per the GOG User Agreement https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212632089-User-Agreement , specifically point 3.3), sharing that content with your immediate family, or even copying the installation files to their own machines is in no way against the GOG UA, and can be safely considered in line with the Fair Use laws. Only in a case where you'd like to play a multiplayer game that requires authentication with a CD-key, etc, due to the specifics of our licensing agreements we are only able to provide one key per purchased copy. With single player games though, that would not be an issue.

The raison d'etre of the rule against sharing GOG accounts is mainly to cover cases such as key or account reselling, or redistributing games to larger groups of people, which we have no way to prevent, since our games are DRM free. Sharing the content of your GOG account with your immediate family and letting them play the games you have purchased on your account is an entirely different situation, and perfectly fine with GOG rules.

However, please note, that in case of your account suddenly breaking user agreement, like posting offensive content, etc, excuse "my son did it" would not make you unaccountable. :)


If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to ask.

LexRust
GOG.com Customer Support Team.

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Certain games do have their own EULA's which might over rule what LexRust has said.

Also it might be worth throwing the developer an email. When I bought Torchlight 2 direct from the devs their website made it hard to by multiple copies. So I sent them a quick email saying I wanted to by 3 copies for the family, to which they replied they were happy for me to use 1 copy for the entire family.

Lastly, WinStore allows a single license to be used on upto 10 machines simultaneously.


The biggest issue here is the complete lack of unified and coherent rules and legislation. Nothing is concrete, its all open to interpretation, and often its conflicting.


On a personal note
For a year me and my wife played Dying Light co-op using just the one copy. We got so much enjoyment from it, I bought a second copy for her and 2 sets of the DLC to support the developers.

Hope this clears things up a bit
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mechmouse: On a personal note
For a year me and my wife played Dying Light co-op using just the one copy. We got so much enjoyment from it, I bought a second copy for her and 2 sets of the DLC to support the developers.

Hope this clears things up a bit
Thanks for all the info including the bits I snipped. This would all indicate GOG is fine with what OP wants to do/families playing the same game copy on multiple systems.

Thanks again for digging this all up. :)
Post edited August 08, 2019 by GameRager
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GameRager: All well and good, but when GOG's profit margins are so thin we should really be encouraging people to buy copies for everyone in their house who wants to play at the same time on other machines....just my two cents.
GOG profit margins are thin and you offer only two cents?!? It should be two bucks at minimum. And not just any bucks, I mean MEGABUCKS!

It is a double-barreled sword which is better to GOG's profit: insisting people to buy several copies of the game within the same household, or the customers feeling good about being able to use one purchased copy within the household, hence buying MOAR games from GOG. Like the OP felt GOG is superior to Steam because GOG doesn't have that kind of technical limitation.

Then again, most will not argue that it would somehow be good to GOG or the publishers that people would freely share their GOG games to the world. So everyone has to decide what seems morally right to them. To me it is the same as mentioned already: sharing within the household is ok, but even then I do not pass the installers to others, but install them myself to any other PCs. So I am still in control how, where and why the purchased GOG installers are used, like that no one else in the household passes them along to the world. (Then again at the moment I am the sole player of my GOG games in our household anyway, so...).

No idea why your comment was downvoted, BTW.
Post edited August 08, 2019 by timppu
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GameRager: All well and good, but when GOG's profit margins are so thin we should really be encouraging people to buy copies for everyone in their house who wants to play at the same time on other machines....just my two cents.
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timppu: GOG profit margins are thin and you offer only two cents?!? It should be two bucks at minimum. And not just any bucks, I mean MEGABUCKS!

It is a double-barreled sword which is better to GOG's profit: insisting people to buy several copies of the game within the same household, or the customers feeling good about being able to use one purchased copy within the household, hence buying MOAR games from GOG. Like the OP felt GOG is superior to Steam because GOG doesn't have that kind of technical limitation.

Then again, most will not argue that it would somehow be good to GOG or the publishers that people would freely share their GOG games to the world. So everyone has to decide what seems morally right to them. To me it is the same as mentioned already: sharing within the household is ok, but even then I do not pass the installers to others, but install them myself to any other PCs. So I am still in control how, where and why the purchased GOG installers are used, like that no one else in the household passes them along to the world.

No idea why your comment was downvoted, BTW.
I buy lots of games on a whim because I know my family can play them when they want.
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rtcvb32: Certainly not.

I recall Microsoft licenses say if you install say Office on two machines, technically you are only allowed to use one at a time, but before they didn't really enforce this. And GoG isn't going to enforce this either. (If they could, that would be DRM... kinda defeating the point of GoG then).

Don't distribute your installers to friends or anyone outside your home/apartment/residence and you're fine.

Besides. If you two decide to play 40 hours of the game at the same time on two computers, but then don't touch it again for a year, i really don't think it matters :P

Games are meant to have fun. Not to adhere to some technobabble lawyer EULA license agreement to limit your fun of when and where.

You bought it, play it when you want to. :)
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GameRager: All well and good, but when GOG's profit margins are so thin we should really be encouraging people to buy copies for everyone in their house who wants to play at the same time on other machines....just my two cents.

The sentiment is fine, though.
Perhaps saving on food.

Such amount of stupidity.
So GOG is even more awesome that I though. No double edged sword. No dilemma, GOG says go right ahead and play your game in your own home however you like. It's a zero edged sword really. GOG is awesome and I buy game from them because of that fact. No need to even use a sword.
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mechmouse: Certain games do have their own EULA's which might over rule what LexRust has said.
From GOG.COM User Agreement:
"2.2 When you buy, access or install GOG games, you might have to agree to additional contract terms with the developer/publisher of the game (e.g. they might ask you to agree to a game specific End User Licence Agreement). If there is any inconsistency or dispute between those ‘EULAs’ and this Agreement, then this Agreement wins."

That is one of many examples how it starts that people spread untruth about buying games on GOG.
Post edited August 08, 2019 by topolla
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topolla: That is one of many examples how it starts that people spread untruth about buying games on GOG.
Your naive reading of that clause suggests that there is no reason whatsoever for these EULAs to exist, unless they say exactly the same thing that the UA says.. in which case there'd be no reason for those EULAs to exist.

A less naive reading would be that when it is impossible to simultaneously satisfy some clauses in both agreements, then the clauses in GOG's UA takes precedence. This means EULAs can place additional restrictions (because it is possible for you to respect those restrictions simultaneously while you respect the restrictions & rights imposed by the UA). Which would be good enough reason for publishers to want to impose an EULA on you. Then I think it boils down to the interpretation of "personal use" or fair use held in Poland. Does it mean personal as in only-by-you-the-person or personal as in non-commercial and such?

LexRust's post hints at an interpretation, but no matter how I read it, it seems to disagree with the letter of the UA: 3.3 Your GOG account and GOG content are personal to you and cannot be shared with, sold, gifted or transferred to anyone else. I think LexRust's statement is in direct conflict with this statement. Sharing with anyone else is not permitted by the UA. However, fair use laws in Poland may be more lenient. I don't know Polish law.

It's hairy, and I don't think it's something that can be resolved without a court's decision. It does not help that the UA subjects you to rules in the FAQ, but the FAQ is written in a casual style and is even more vague & open to interpretation than the UA itself. What were they smoking?

There are other hairy things about that UA, and I think it's only good for toilet paper decoration.

For example, this clause can eat shit and die:

11.1 (e) Do not create, use, make available and/or distribute cheats, exploits, automation software, robots, bots, mods, hacks, spiders, spyware, cheats, scripts, trainers, extraction tools or other software that interact with or affect GOG services or GOG content in any way

Yes, the definition of "GOG content" includes games. So don't you dare mod them. Don't you dare write or use tools such as InnoExtract.. don't you dare cheat. It's funny that the clause says cheats twice. Looks like cheats are a big deal for GOG. Or maybe they never reviewed their garbage UA. Which means they don't even take it seriously themselves. Which is why LexRust can tell you that it's ok to ignore the UA and do what you like with your family. *Shrug*

Now did I say something that may be considered offensive in this post (that is also a UA violation which may lead to suspension or account deactivation)? I will gift a free copy of The Expression Amrilato to the lawyer who knows the answer.

These vague and wide open to interpretation clauses are total bullshit.

After reading this, I hope some of you came to understand what I meant in post 6 in this thread: Follow your heart if you're chaotic good, follow the books that make you a demon if you're lawful good.
Post edited August 09, 2019 by clarry
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GameRager: All well and good, but when GOG's profit margins are so thin we should really be encouraging people to buy copies for everyone in their house who wants to play at the same time on other machines....just my two cents.
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timppu: GOG profit margins are thin and you offer only two cents?!? It should be two bucks at minimum. And not just any bucks, I mean MEGABUCKS!
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It is a double-barreled sword which is better to GOG's profit: insisting people to buy several copies of the game within the same household, or the customers feeling good about being able to use one purchased copy within the household, hence buying MOAR games from GOG. Like the OP felt GOG is superior to Steam because GOG doesn't have that kind of technical limitation.
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Then again, most will not argue that it would somehow be good to GOG or the publishers that people would freely share their GOG games to the world. So everyone has to decide what seems morally right to them. To me it is the same as mentioned already: sharing within the household is ok, but even then I do not pass the installers to others, but install them myself to any other PCs. So I am still in control how, where and why the purchased GOG installers are used, like that no one else in the household passes them along to the world. (Then again at the moment I am the sole player of my GOG games in our household anyway, so...).
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No idea why your comment was downvoted, BTW.
Lol true...if I had money I would buy multiple copies of my favorite games just to give them out in contests and support the site more.

Heck I even DO DO THAT.....though not as much as I would like(budget troubles/etc).
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True, but i'd still advocate if one has a LARGE(over 6 or so people) family that they THINK about buying more copies to support the site that brings them such good games as well as buying more games in general. ;)
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All good points, but as I said: If one's family is very big then sharing it will all of them to me is no different morally/etc than sharing with the same amount of people outside the home/family.

(Note to all: I do not do this or advocate people do this....sharing outside the home/etc that is)
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I don't mind it but it makes me think: If people downvote people who pirate even for legit reasons(like backup copies of owned and bought games) here then why downvote me saying one shouldn't share with too many family members? :\

It makes one think it's double standards and the like with some here...



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GameRager: All well and good, but when GOG's profit margins are so thin we should really be encouraging people to buy copies for everyone in their house who wants to play at the same time on other machines....just my two cents.

The sentiment is fine, though.
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OldOldGamer: Perhaps saving on food.

Such amount of stupidity.
1. Is this calling my sentiment stupid? If so that's a bit uncalled for.

2. People can save on food in various ways(buying generic brands/clipping coupons/buying in sales/etc)....also as others have said here to me: If one is that poor why are they spending money on a bunch of games/etc? If one is so poor they cannot blow a couple bucks to buy one more games copy without going without food they have to reprioritize their spending a bit, one would think.

But if they CAN afford to buy here and their budget isn't too tight they should think about supporting the site bringing them all these games DRM free(for the most part, barring some game's MP parts as some have mentioned).

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Gobydon: So GOG is even more awesome that I though. No double edged sword. No dilemma, GOG says go right ahead and play your game in your own home however you like. It's a zero edged sword really. GOG is awesome and I buy game from them because of that fact. No need to even use a sword.
You need one to fight off the gog bears, though...they can be mean, I hear tell. o.0
Post edited August 09, 2019 by GameRager