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EverNightX: The point was to explain to you why "You can always find time for the things you really want to do/value/care about".
Yes, it's always possible for someone to find time for a subset of high-priority tasks that fit into the amount of time they have available. But that strikes me as a rather self-evident, circular statement that doesn't really say anything meaningful. I'm still not quite sure what you are really trying to say (unless you are simply arguing for the sake of it). For me, playing games is low enough on my priority list that it's common for me to start a game and not finish it (which relates to the topic at hand). I don't see how the fact that 'I chose my situation' changes that. The fact that I chose my situation doesn't invalidate it - it's still my situation.

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EverNightX: I notice you are still posting instead of exercising for example.
This is essentially a dirty debating tactic. If I complain about being busy, then I shouldn't be posting on the forum anyway, ergo you win the debate by default. A convenient way to try to dodge having to respond to my points.

(and that's beside the point that making a forum post takes 2 minutes, whereas going to the gym takes over an hour. They're not in any sense comparable)

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EverNightX: I apologize, but I don't talk about my family. If it makes you feel better to imagine I don't, then imagine that.
Again, a very convenient dodge, when you are lecturing a parent about how easy it is to find time. Answering a very simple yes/no question about your personal situation does not constitute 'talking about your family'.
Post edited April 29, 2024 by Time4Tea
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Time4Tea: Again, a very convenient dodge, when you are lecturing a parent about how easy it is to find time. Answering a very simple yes/no question about your personal situation does not constitute 'talking about your family'.
Your "Do you have kids?" argument is moot. With such a logic you can only talk about alcoholism if you are an alcoholic.
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Time4Tea: Yes, it's always possible for someone to find time for a subset of high-priority tasks that fit into the amount of time they have available. But that strikes me as a rather self-evident, circular statement that doesn't really say anything meaningful.
I'm glad you find it self evident. I'm not sure how it is circular though. I was simply explaining why I believe the statement to be true because it seemed you were arguing it was not. Nothing more.

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Time4Tea: This is essentially a dirty debating tactic. If I complain about being busy, then I shouldn't be posting on the forum anyway, ergo you win the debate by default.
I'm not sure why the truth is a dirty tactic. It is what it is. I believe it is easier for us to justify not doing something by blaming it on other things when it's really just not what we want to be doing. You may tell yourself you want to be exercising. You may like the idea of the benefits if you did exercise. But it's not actually true that you really want to be doing it over say posting. If you really wanted to, you'd be doing it. And I'm not criticizing your decision. I'm simply using it as evidence of my belief.

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Time4Tea: Again, a very convenient dodge, when you are lecturing a parent about how easy it is to find time.
I don't remember saying anything was easy. I simply said you CAN find time for what you really care about most. You CAN exercise. I'm not claiming anything is easy or even what you should be doing. Please don't take offense. This really isn't a judgment. It's just a truth.
Post edited April 29, 2024 by EverNightX
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EverNightX: I notice you are still posting instead of exercising for example.
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Time4Tea: This is essentially a dirty debating tactic. If I complain about being busy, then I shouldn't be posting on the forum anyway, ergo you win the debate by default. A convenient way to try to dodge having to respond to my points.

(and that's beside the point that making a forum post takes 2 minutes, whereas going to the gym takes over an hour. They're not in any sense comparable)
No it is not, and you missed his point. His point was that everything we do is a choice, and with all choices there are concequences. There are only so many hours in the day, and it is your choice how you spend those hours. The point being here, is that you have made the choice to spend the time posting on an online forum instead of having some exercise.

Noone forced you to spend this time on the forum, same as noone foces you to spend time exercising. You are the master of your own choices, and in this you made this choice, and this is the consequences of that choice. From you available pot of avaiable free time, you decided to spend the time online instead of jogging down the street and up again.

By the way, I am a grandfather with 5 grandchildren over 2 families. One of those families have 2 chidlren, and the paretns like to exersice. What they do, is that they take it in turns. One day the father goes to the gym, another day the mother. They made that choice, off course it means that then there is something else they do not do. Neither are big gamers, for example. If here is a will, there is a way
Post edited April 29, 2024 by amok
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eric5h5: .
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Time4Tea: .
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EverNightX: .
There's always room for empathy.

And empathy sometimes requires not pushing your own everyday way of living on others.

It always requires considering the other person's point of view. And listening to them.

You for example continually talk about exercise when no-one else has brought it up. Are you anorexic? Do you have an unhealthy relationship with food?

These are things we want to know. If you are going to try to belittle people based on your own insecurities then we should have a fair shot at belittling you back based on...well, anything, but maybe on your own insecurities to start with.
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lupineshadow: And empathy sometimes requires not pushing your own everyday way of living on others.
Where did I push for a way of living? I did not advocate for doing any particular activity. I simply pointed out that it's possible to make time for what you care most about. I think you misunderstand what's going on.

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lupineshadow: You for example continually talk about exercise when no-one else has brought it up. Are you anorexic? Do you have an unhealthy relationship with food?
I originally mentioned it as a common example. And then Time4Tea said that was something that he/she wanted to do, or do more of, but could not. So it was just a practical example of an activity Time4Tea claimed to want to spend time on.
Post edited April 29, 2024 by EverNightX
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EverNightX: I originally mentioned it as a common example. And then Time4Tea said that was something that he/she wanted to do, or do more of, but could not. So it was just a practical example of an activity Time4Tea claimed to want to spend time on.
Ok, You brought up exercise, unprompted.

You also brought up donuts, unprompted, to a different post.

You have an agenda. Take it elsewhere please.
Post edited April 29, 2024 by lupineshadow
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lupineshadow: Ok, You brought up exercise, unprompted.

You also brought up donuts, unprompted, to a different post.

You have an agenda. Take it elsewhere please.
Uh...I have no idea what you are on about. I promise I have no donut/exercise agenda LOL.
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amok: I would never play a game just to "click it off as completed". Gaming is a hobby, not work (even unpaid wwork). If I am not enjoying it, then I have no problem abandoning the game and play something else I like instead. I see no point in doing anything else in my spare time, which is precious enough not to waste it on bussywwork and tick-box completion that noone would ever care about and have abolutely no impact on anything - whats the point? .

The same goes for all my entertainment. I stiop reading a book if it is not good, I stop watching a film or a tv series if I am not enjoying it, I stop a piece of music if it is boring, I leave a musem if I dont like the exhibition. I do not see the point in wasting my time for something that is supposed to be for enjoyment only.
I don't disagree with you for the most part.

But there are plenty of folk who are in the habit of ticking a game off as completed, for one or more reasons.

For instance, there are folk determined to play every FPS game, and some to play every classic game. Some do so for comparison purposes or writing reviews, etc.

It is also possible to like a game for a variety of reasons. So a game can be thrilling, and so generally easy to complete, and sometimes it can just be interesting and maybe take a while to complete, and life etc can get in the way and interrupt for a while.

Generally for me, something has to be pretty bad for me not to complete it. And how I feel about a game can vary from day to day, just like it does with music and movies and books. Sometimes it is just all about mood, and I don't believe in setting hard and fast rules, but remain flexible.

As we have all seen or experienced, some folk who review a game, later wish they could edit that review. Maybe they hated the game initially or thought poorly of it, then later grew to love the game or had a big break and eventually came back to it, and perhaps they are in a different mood or had something happen to change how they see things ... growth, education, etc.

I've read a lot of books, that had boring starts, but then became brilliant. If I hadn't persevered I would never have discovered that. You can also start with a bias that can eventually be dismissed. I try to avoid being too judgmental without enough facts or data.
Post edited April 29, 2024 by Timboli
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Timboli: As we have all seen or experienced, some folk who review a game, later wish they could edit that review. Maybe they hated the game initially or thought poorly of it, then later grew to love the game or had a big break and eventually came back to it, and perhaps they are in a different mood or had something happen to change how they see things ... growth, education, etc.
I can only think of one example where that happened to me in gaming. But it did happen. And it was a complete 180 degree turn around on my opinion of the same game.
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gogtrial34987: https://norden.social/@hikhvar/112308581991545774

Don't know if I reach any game developer. But games need a "adult mode" as in "I haven't played the game for weeks because life happened. Please give me a ramp up of the story so far and an option for a short tutorial with all the controls and mechanics".
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gogtrial34987: *eyes a desktop full of games I've been meaning to return to, but know I never will because I have no idea anymore how to play them*
Interestingly enough, some games (very few) already have similar features. Maybe not for the story, but rather for the mechanics. They track that you've been out of the loop for a while and provide minor tutorials.

Vast majority of the gaming market assumes that their game will dominate your time from start to finish. Granted, during my younger years that was indeed the case. Maybe that's still their target audience then? Kids or people with a lot of time on their hands.

I wouldn't mind some features around this. It'd be easy to track with a timestamp on save files.
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EverNightX: I can only think of one example where that happened to me in gaming. But it did happen. And it was a complete 180 degree turn around on my opinion of the same game.
Yep, it happens for sure.

It has even happened for me with music, where a decade or so later I can love what I previously disliked. I suppose it is all about how you relate and 'how you relate' can change over time, based on a bunch of different things that can happen as you grow as a person.
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gogtrial34987: *eyes a desktop full of games I've been meaning to return to, but know I never will because I have no idea anymore how to play them*
I know what ya mean. That happens with me if I go awhile without continuing a game or lose progress(hdd failure/etc) and need to restart. This is why I like some games(like Rogue Galaxy on PS2) which have recaps when you load a save, and also games which have codexes of info/tutorial pics in the menus so I can quickly get back into stuff if need be.