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Posted April 26, 2015
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karnak1: Usually when my king dies, almost 80% of my vassals get unhappy/rebellious. And I have to spend enourmous amounts of gold to "bribe" them into happiness.

I have the sucession law which makes the strongest male heir the rightful ruler.
Anyone has any ideas in what provokes such discontent and how one can best avoid it without losing the right to the throne?

Thanks in advance.
I am not sure if this applies to the first game as I've only played CKII so far :)

In any case, your previous ruler probably had a bonus to vassal opinion because of his long reign on top of any bribes and such. Powerful vassals will always try to rebel whenever there is a change of ruler so your first order of business should be to placate them with either feasts, gifts, or outright force if you have to. Also, make sure to keep them as powerless as possible so that they cannot rise against you in the first place.

I'll have to try and see f I can get Crusader Kings to run in Linux somehow :D
Posted April 30, 2015
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JudasIscariot: I am not sure if this applies to the first game as I've only played CKII so far :)

In any case, your previous ruler probably had a bonus to vassal opinion because of his long reign on top of any bribes and such. Powerful vassals will always try to rebel whenever there is a change of ruler so your first order of business should be to placate them with either feasts, gifts, or outright force if you have to. Also, make sure to keep them as powerless as possible so that they cannot rise against you in the first place.

I'll have to try and see f I can get Crusader Kings to run in Linux somehow :D
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karnak1: I think CK2 has more options considering liege/vassal relationships than the first game (I've never played 2 so I wouldn't know).
In CK1 your relationship with your vassals will gradually increase with time (if you're a good ruler, that is). The trouble is that, as soon as you have a new king, almost 80% of your vassals (from the lowest count to the grandest duke) will become grumpy and suspicious towards you. And the only option the game gives you to appease them is:

a) fill their pockets with gold

b) grant them titles (most of the times you'll only be creating a more powerful rival)

c) wait for them to become so discontent that they'll try to break free from you. Than you can fight them and crush them. But, if such a thing happens, there's a very high risk that you'll provoke a civil war (since all the other grumpy vassals will try to break free as well).

The fact is that your vassals will absolutely adore your king. And then (in the blink of an eye) they will absolutely hate his heir. Which is a bit extreme and not really very realistic IMHO.

Anyway, thanks for the help, Judas.
Any more tips?
If you have to grant titles, grant titles to people that are desired by other people, perhaps transfer a vassal who desires a given title to a powerful vassal of yours in order to give them someone to deal with within their own ranks.

I am not sure if traits are involved in CK1 but maybe your vassals are unhappy because of your new sire's traits? If so, remove those vassals who don't like your new liege's traits and install vassals that are compatible with your new liege.

(my advice is based on CK2 as I cannot get Ck1 to play nicely under Mint for some reason :/ )
Posted September 25, 2015
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Felgar: The thing the heir needs is high prestige. In order to have a stable realm transfer, you want prestige to be pretty high. So think of finding ways to increase the prestige of your heirs as the grooming process. I generally try and make sure the first son has his own Duchy by the time he is in his early 20’s if I’m running a kingdom. This gives him time to build up quite a nice prestige level if my king lives to a decent age.

You can keep this going through many generations as long as both the son and the king owns a Duchy. As the son of the new king comes of age he gives one of his two Duchies to him and when that son inherits he will own two Duchies until he gives one to his son and so on.

Using this method I usually only have trouble with enemies during realm transfers as most other leaders in the realm hover near the 50 mark and are in positive territory pretty quickly if they start off angry after title transfers.
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karnak1: I suppose that what you're saying makes a lot of sense.
I admit I've been neglecting my "children" while attending the royal duties.

Thank you Felgar and Judas for your hints.
Well, in CKII it's best to keep the good ones, AKA the heir, locked up permanently because they tend to kill themselves when you let them actually live :P
Posted September 25, 2015
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JudasIscariot: Well, in CKII it's best to keep the good ones, AKA the heir, locked up permanently because they tend to kill themselves when you let them actually live :P
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karnak1: Interesting.
In CK 1 they seem to manage quite well on their own, as long as you grant them a good duchy.
In fact, I've been playing the game with the advice thet the good people here have provided and I've been having a great time.

Things have really improved in my dinasty :)
I think it might be due to the fact that CKII has more random events that can kill a given character? Are there random life events in CK 1?
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