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Posted March 10, 2013
How does leveling up work from Ultima 4 to 8?

And the Eight Virtues, I heard in Spoony's review that each virtue comes with a con such as if your character upholds honor and is a paladin it is considered dishonorable if you kill a fleeing enemy and loses some stats or whatever. Does it apply to every party member or just my character, and since I am a Fighter upholding Valor what are my cons?

Recruiting Party members: I already have Iolo and Mariah but I cannot recruit Dupre because I am inexperianced, when do I recruit him and other that has the same requirement?
Posted March 10, 2013
Always take a look at my Ultima Resource Collection thread first. Here is an overview about leveling up throughout the series:
http://ultima.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Advancement

Basically in Ultima IV it comes down to experience points. Get enough experience and you can reach the next level when talking to Lord British. You get exp. for killing enemies (only the character who delivers the death blow gets the exp) and from completing quests (finding items for the main quest), but only your main character gets those. To level up your companions get into combat and have *them* deliver the last blow.

The virtues work in the background. Each virtue can range from 0 to 99 and each action you take adds or substracts from you current amount. For exampe if you flee from combat you lose 2 points in valor. Keep in mind that it doesn't matter how much you give or take but how often you do it. It's better to give a beggar 10 times one gold than once ten gold. Similarly, if you want to cheat the herbalist woman get as many ingredients as you can in one go and if you want to improve your status buy onlyone ingredient at a time. Here is an overview of the virtues in Ultima IV.
http://wiki.ultimacodex.com/wiki/Virtues_in_Ultima_IV

Spoony says that attacking fleeing opponents is dishonorable but I haven't found anything like that in the list nor does anyone in the game advice against pursuing opponents, so I'm not entirely sure.

EDIT:
OK, I just checked, I hat an Honour of 99 (ready to ascend) and killed a fleeing orc. Then I loaded my save file into the savegame editor and I still have 99 honour. So killing fleeing opponents seems to be OK.
Post edited March 10, 2013 by HiPhish
Posted March 10, 2013
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HiPhish: Always take a look at my Ultima Resource Collection thread first. Here is an overview about leveling up throughout the series:
http://ultima.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Advancement

Basically in Ultima IV it comes down to experience points. Get enough experience and you can reach the next level when talking to Lord British. You get exp. for killing enemies (only the character who delivers the death blow gets the exp) and from completing quests (finding items for the main quest), but only your main character gets those. To level up your companions get into combat and have *them* deliver the last blow.

The virtues work in the background. Each virtue can range from 0 to 99 and each action you take adds or substracts from you current amount. For exampe if you flee from combat you lose 2 points in valor. Keep in mind that it doesn't matter how much you give or take but how often you do it. It's better to give a beggar 10 times one gold than once ten gold. Similarly, if you want to cheat the herbalist woman get as many ingredients as you can in one go and if you want to improve your status buy onlyone ingredient at a time. Here is an overview of the virtues in Ultima IV.
http://wiki.ultimacodex.com/wiki/Virtues_in_Ultima_IV

Spoony says that attacking fleeing opponents is dishonorable but I haven't found anything like that in the list nor does anyone in the game advice against pursuing opponents, so I'm not entirely sure.

EDIT:
OK, I just checked, I hat an Honour of 99 (ready to ascend) and killed a fleeing orc. Then I loaded my save file into the savegame editor and I still have 99 honour. So killing fleeing opponents seems to be OK.
So there are no cons against the virtues unless of course the obvious like killing people and children or stealing (if this game recognizes theft because I loot some chests filled with gold in an Inn and no one seemed to react)
Posted March 10, 2013
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Elmofongo: (if this game recognizes theft because I loot some chests filled with gold in an Inn and no one seemed to react)
Ultima IV is about being a good person, not being a sneaky bastard. People won't mind you stealing stuff (hey, I wouldn'r argue with a guy clad in chainmal and armed to the teeth either), but the game still tracks it as a bad deed. It is really about having a pure conciousness, so you must truly be good. Ask seer Hawkwind in Castle Britain, he can tell you how virtuous you truly are.

Look at the link to see all the things not to do, like fleeing from combat (even with non-evil creatures), killing non-evil creatures like townspeople or animals (see the manual for what is is evil and what isn't), answering questions proudly (are you the most valiant warrior? No, you aren't), refusing to donate blood or using the wrong mantra.
Posted March 10, 2013
Killing non-evil animals who are fleeing does cause a Compassion hit, but killing other fleeing (evil) creatures is okay.

As said above, the purpose of your quest isn't to become the richest/most powerful/etc guy around, or to beat up some bad guy. You can do all kinds of rotten things and get away with it... physically, at least. But karma is your most important (if mostly invisible) asset - resisting all of those temptations is part of the challenge of following the path of the Avatar.

One caveat WRT the "Are you..." type questions. While you do need to pay attention to how those types of questions are asked (because the wording can matter), it isn't prideful to answer one of them honestly. If asked, "Are you Honorable?" when you actually do have the Eighth of Honor, saying Yes is the honest response, not a prideful one.
Post edited March 10, 2013 by Garran
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Garran: Killing non-evil animals who are fleeing does cause a Compassion hit, but killing other fleeing (evil) creatures is okay.

As said above, the purpose of your quest isn't to become the richest/most powerful/etc guy around, or to beat up some bad guy. You can do all kinds of rotten things and get away with it... physically, at least. But karma is your most important (if mostly invisible) asset - resisting all of those temptations is part of the challenge of following the path of the Avatar.

One caveat WRT the "Are you..." type questions. While you do need to pay attention to how those types of questions are asked (because the wording can matter), it isn't prideful to answer one of them honestly. If asked, "Are you Honorable?" when you actually do have the Eighth of Honor, saying Yes is the honest response, not a prideful one.
So since I am the Avatar I have to value all the Virtues despite that I am a fighter representing Valor?

Is it Un-Valient if I flee from combat despite that I could be dying?
Posted March 10, 2013
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Elmofongo: Is it Un-Valient if I flee from combat despite that I could be dying?
Yes. And death is not permanent anyway.
Posted March 11, 2013
Your goal in Ultima 4 is to become the Avatar - the embodiment of all of the virtues. Your initial status as a Fighter simply describes how you begin the journey.
Posted March 11, 2013
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HiPhish: Always take a look at my Ultima Resource Collection thread first. Here is an overview about leveling up throughout the series:
http://ultima.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Advancement

Basically in Ultima IV it comes down to experience points. Get enough experience and you can reach the next level when talking to Lord British. You get exp. for killing enemies (only the character who delivers the death blow gets the exp) and from completing quests (finding items for the main quest), but only your main character gets those. To level up your companions get into combat and have *them* deliver the last blow.

The virtues work in the background. Each virtue can range from 0 to 99 and each action you take adds or substracts from you current amount. For exampe if you flee from combat you lose 2 points in valor. Keep in mind that it doesn't matter how much you give or take but how often you do it. It's better to give a beggar 10 times one gold than once ten gold. Similarly, if you want to cheat the herbalist woman get as many ingredients as you can in one go and if you want to improve your status buy onlyone ingredient at a time. Here is an overview of the virtues in Ultima IV.
http://wiki.ultimacodex.com/wiki/Virtues_in_Ultima_IV

Spoony says that attacking fleeing opponents is dishonorable but I haven't found anything like that in the list nor does anyone in the game advice against pursuing opponents, so I'm not entirely sure.

EDIT:
OK, I just checked, I hat an Honour of 99 (ready to ascend) and killed a fleeing orc. Then I loaded my save file into the savegame editor and I still have 99 honour. So killing fleeing opponents seems to be OK.
Another question how about leveling up my party members unless its the same as me just get them enough exp. and Lord British will level them up aswell?
Posted March 11, 2013
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Elmofongo: Another question how about leveling up my party members unless its the same as me just get them enough exp. and Lord British will level them up aswell?
Yes, let *them* kill enemies and then visit Lord British. Don't worry about your main character, you'll get way more experience than them just by finding runes alone. Let them fight as much as possible and use your character as a meat shield.
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Elmofongo: Another question how about leveling up my party members unless its the same as me just get them enough exp. and Lord British will level them up aswell?
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HiPhish: Yes, let *them* kill enemies and then visit Lord British. Don't worry about your main character, you'll get way more experience than them just by finding runes alone. Let them fight as much as possible and use your character as a meat shield.
I am really sorry to ask this question but:

In Ultima 4 how do you buy reagents? Here is the story I am at the herbalist store He says, "Would you like reagents" I said yes then he showed me a list of them by pressing the keys like G for Gensing, F for Garlic, B for Black pearl etc.
Than he said how much do I want I pressed the # than he wants my confirmation, I type "yes" and then I press Enter, but I did not got the reagents I know that because my money has not been spent.

How the fuck I am supposed buy it than, grr why is this game so unintuitive, I can buy weapons and armor but not reagents fuck :(
Post edited March 11, 2013 by Elmofongo
Posted March 11, 2013
All the reagent merchants are blind, and will take whatever you give them in payment - as little or as much as that might be. It's a way of testing some of your virtues - do you pay them what you owe them, or do you try to cheat them, knowing they won't notice?

So to buy reagents, you'll choose the reagent you want (B for ginseng, C for garlic, and so forth), then input the number you want when you're asked how many. Then when you're asked 'You pay?' enter the number of coins you give the merchant as payment - whether it's what you /really/ owe or a different value. They'll take whatever you give them.
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Elmofongo: ...
Unintuitive? You should be glad it even has graphics :P You coose your ingredient (i.e. G for Garlic), then how manu you want (let's say 3) and then you choose how much you will pay (the lady tells you hom much it costs). All herbalists are blind, so you can pay whatever you want, but paying less will hit your virtues hard. I assume you simply payed nothing for the reagents or you cancelled out by not giving any answer. You can see your inventory by pressing Z (for Ztats) and then using left and right arrow keys to toggle between panels, one of them lists your reagents.
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Elmofongo: ...
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HiPhish: Unintuitive? You should be glad it even has graphics :P You coose your ingredient (i.e. G for Garlic), then how manu you want (let's say 3) and then you choose how much you will pay (the lady tells you hom much it costs). All herbalists are blind, so you can pay whatever you want, but paying less will hit your virtues hard. I assume you simply payed nothing for the reagents or you cancelled out by not giving any answer. You can see your inventory by pressing Z (for Ztats) and then using left and right arrow keys to toggle between panels, one of them lists your reagents.
Thank you it worked and I did not know that they were blind it just that when I saw "You Pay:" I say yes or no I did know you type the price also since you say my virtues get hit if I pay less I get increased virtues if I pay more than needed I take it?
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Elmofongo: ...
Paying the right price already improves your virtues (although not nearly as much as paying less damages them), but i don't know if overpaying is better or just a waste of money. The link I provided above lists the exact numbers. If you want to improve your standing quickly just buy only one reagent at a time and pay the proper price. You can even exploit the system by screwing the reagents dealer over really hard once (like buying 99 reagents for one gold) and then make up for it by buying five times one reagent for the correct price (preferably the cheapest regent)
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