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Albarok: just want someone to explain to me why Geralt is so madly in love with this awful, awful person.
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Hickory: Because Geralt is not you.
Let me ask it differently then. Why do you like Yennefer and think she's good for Geralt. And don't answer that it's because Geralt canonicaly loves her - If Yennefer was a real person, tell me why you would want to be with her. Don't compare her to Triss and others as well, just her in person.
Also, I hope no one is taking this thread personally or something, this is just a healthy exchange of viewpoints.
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Hickory: Because Geralt is not you.
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Albarok: Let me ask it differently then. Why do you like Yennefer and think she's good for Geralt. And don't answer that it's because Geralt canonicaly loves her - If Yennefer was a real person, tell me why you would want to be with her. Don't compare her to Triss and others as well, just her in person.
First, don't ask for an honest opinion and then affix stifling rules. That's one of the things I like Yennefer for, and why I think she's better for Geralt: she's open and honest about everything she does. Geralt knows precisely where he stands with her at all times, unlike Triss, who he can never trust, and these traits in these women would translate to real life, too. Yennefer is a real woman. Triss is a real conniving bitch. This is about Geralt, and therefore it is about both women in his life.
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Albarok: Let me ask it differently then. Why do you like Yennefer and think she's good for Geralt. And don't answer that it's because Geralt canonicaly loves her - If Yennefer was a real person, tell me why you would want to be with her. Don't compare her to Triss and others as well, just her in person.
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Hickory: First, don't ask for an honest opinion and then affix stifling rules. That's one of the things I like Yennefer for, and why I think she's better for Geralt: she's open and honest about everything she does. Geralt knows precisely where he stands with her at all times, unlike Triss, who he can never trust, and these traits in these women would translate to real life, too. Yennefer is a real woman. Triss is a real conniving bitch. This is about Geralt, and therefore it is about both women in his life.
The 'stifling' rules are simply because comparing two people doesn't really give you a clear thought about a single person. If you compare two assholes, and one is better than the other, it doesn't change the fact that the better one is still an asshole. Which is why the whole Yennefer vs Triss thing is irrelevant in my opinion.

Anyways, I guess your definition of 'honest and open' is wildly different than mine. I recall that she was kind enough to divulge her plans only a moment before executing them, and after practically begging her to tell you what she's planning - like raising the dead, stealing a mask, the trail of grasses etc.
And the constant belittling and disrespect is fine with you too?
Why would Geralt, as a person, end up with Yen, as a person? Let me start off by saying that Sapkowski was quite obviously a man who understood human character when writing Witcher books.

Geralt wouldn't do anything for Ciri. He's too moral, too idealistic and too easily swayed by emotion, he lacks necessary insight and foresight to protect her completely. He's a great father figure, but he's not a great protector. There's one thing Geralt knows he can depend on tho, and that thing is that where his morals would stay his hand, Yen would step in and heartlessly do whatever needs to be done. Yennefer is cold, rational and extremely powerful. Yennefer also loves Geralt and Ciri unconditionally. She will lie, manipulate, murder or even steer fates of entire kingdoms if this would result in protecting the two. In short, Yennefer can do a lot of things Geralt can't, and she's not afraid of making use of them. Geralt also knows that he can trust her. Yen won't lie to him - she won't always reveal the whole truth, but he knows that whatever is it she's doing, it will end up helping the trio in one way or another. In my opinion, that's what you look for in a partner - you look for a person who will fill in the blanks in your personality and help you in areas you're not good at.

And then there's Triss. And Triss is, to put it bluntly, weak and selfish. She has aspirations beyond Geralt and Ciri and if they stand in her way, she would abandon them, sooner or later. After events of the books and the games, Geralt has no real reason of trusting her.

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Albarok: And the constant belittling and disrespect is fine with you too?
Oh they actually respect each other massively, albeit it's apparent who wears pants in that relationship. Still, Geralt always makes sure to come up with healthy retort, and relationship without constantly teasing each other is just boring :-P
Post edited July 07, 2016 by Fenixp
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Albarok: comparing two people doesn't really give you a clear thought about a single person.
Yes it does. Without a comparison you are missing crucial context; you're judging.
Anyways, I guess your definition of 'honest and open' is wildly different than mine.
That's been clear from the start.
I recall that she was kind enough to divulge her plans only a moment before executing them, and after practically begging her to tell you what she's planning - like raising the dead, stealing a mask, the trail of grasses etc.
So she kept disclosure close to her chest. So what? As I have already said, she's a sorcerer in a world that despises them. She had absolutely no intention of hiding what she was doing ultimately, she just wasn't prepared to risk anything getting in the way of her plans. A person with a trust issue is not the same as a schemer/plotter.
And the constant belittling and disrespect is fine with you too?
Belittling and disrespect are entirely subjective: some people are far too sensitive for their own good. Besides, as I already said, it's a front.
Thank you, Fenixp, for giving a proper response and argument, and you make some valid points. Although I don't know how much more I can stress out that this is not a Triss vs Yennefer debate.

Since you're mentioning the books, how does this explain why he fell in love with her in the first place? This was before Ciri was even conceived and the two of them have just met.
Also, how would you explain Yennefer parading Ciri in Thanedd in front of the council, just to show off, when she was tasked to keep her out of sight?

I don't deny that Yennefer *thinks* she's doing what's best for Geralt and Ciri, but that doesn't mean that's actually what happens. That event in Thanedd is the only time I've ever seen Yennefer apologize and admit she was wrong about something. I think people give her way too much credit than she deserves. Just because she speaks with authority and arrogance doesn't give her immunity from making big mistakes and false judgments.

Hickory - cheers, mate. I have better understanding of your stance and I accept your arguments. This *is* a matter of opinion after all. I hope this debate isn't upsetting anyone.
Post edited July 07, 2016 by Albarok
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Albarok: Since you're mentioning the books, how does this explain why he fell in love with her in the first place? This was before Ciri was even conceived and the two of them have just met.
Yen was the first mage who didn't approach Geralt with distain or fear. She abused him, yes, when she thought she can do whatever she wants to him - but then Geralt showed Yen he's not, in turn, afraid of her, and that he has no trouble just saying "No" to her, denying her of something she wants, for her own good. Neither of them met anyone like that before. I think that's where they started respecting each other.

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Albarok: Also, how would you explain Yennefer parading Ciri in Thanedd in front of the council, just to show off, when she was tasked to keep her out of sight?

I don't deny that Yennefer *thinks* she's doing what's best for Geralt and Ciri, but that doesn't mean that's actually what happens. That event in Thanedd is the only time I've ever seen Yennefer apologize and admit she was wrong about something. I think people give her way too much credit than she deserves. Just because she speaks with authority and arrogance doesn't give her immunity from doing stupid things.
I was talking of Yen's motivations, I didn't say she can't make mistakes. Yen had a very good reason to parade Ciri in Thanedd, she firmly believed it'll end the conflict between mages, effectively protecting Ciri, Yen and Geralt. Alas, it turned out to be a somewhat stupid idea. I think it's worth pointing out Geralt made a lot more stupid mistakes in a much shorter period of time :-P
Post edited July 07, 2016 by Fenixp
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Albarok: Thank you, Fenixp, for giving a proper response and argument,
Now who's being arrogant?
Fenixp - Yeah I got that vibe of 'immovable object' meets 'unstoppable force' in their relationship, and how it attracts them both. I guess I just can't overcome the constant arrogance of Yennefer, which for me personally is a huge turn off in a woman. I guess it's why they're on this on/off relationship in the books.

Hickory - Listen, your first sentence to me in this thread was basically 'you're an idiot and you don't know what you're talking about' which is no way to start a respectful debate. Now, I tried to stay respectful with my posts, and I genuinely accept your arguments - no arrogance and no trolling. If you're still taking all this personally, which was never my intention, then there's nothing more i can do about that.
Just because this is the internet doesn't mean we all need to be dicks to each other.
Post edited July 07, 2016 by Albarok
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Albarok: ...
I'll say it again: now who's being arrogant?
I tried. Suit yourself.
Where can I find this book(s)?(Digital free:-D)
app store?
play market?
windows store?
Post edited July 07, 2016 by AvallacHRoche
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AvallacHRoche: Where can I find this book(s)?(Digital free:-D)
You can't find them for free, unless you wish to pirate them. You can buy ebooks on Amazon.

I hate the game-inspired covers.
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AvallacHRoche: Where can I find this book(s)?(Digital free:-D)
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Fenixp: You can't find them for free, unless you wish to pirate them. You can buy ebooks on Amazon.

I hate the game-inspired covers.
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so I should borrow them (Sh.t)(yeah. I hate books like other gamers)
@Albarok
there was a chance to AVENGE yen for her previous disrespectful actions where Lambert, Geralt and Eskel drink to death!(kaer morhen) if you remember -
Post edited July 07, 2016 by AvallacHRoche
Not all of them are translated to English yet, I think the last one in the saga is translated next year.